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Post by Deviancy on Jul 19, 2021 2:48:31 GMT
Eva Green was quite good as Artemisa. But I didn't like that movie any where near as much as I did the other. Gladiator is hands down the best film in that realm and the most historically accurate, still not totally accurate but Scott did an outstanding job with the casting, writers, etc, and so on. Scott doesn't have a perfect resume, I like Hannibal but the change to the end was a mistake, and it came too late anyway. He wanted the right ending with Clarice running off with Hannibal like in the book, but Foster didn't like that, so they changed it but she still didn't want anything to do with the film. They should have just said, "eh, we don't need ya, see ya", got Moore, who I think is better anyways, and went with the original ending. It makes sense, Clarice obviously was attracted to Hannibal it was obvious in Lambs, not sure what the attraction was, I think it was just because he got into her head, keep in mind, he was a very respected psychologist. But anywho... time for sleep.. But Gladiator rocks... I love that movie... its probably my favorite Scott film, which is coming from a guy who digs Alien a lot.
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Post by wolf on Jul 19, 2021 13:06:45 GMT
Eva Green was quite good as Artemisa. But I didn't like that movie any where near as much as I did the other. Gladiator is hands down the best film in that realm and the most historically accurate, still not totally accurate but Scott did an outstanding job with the casting, writers, etc, and so on. Scott doesn't have a perfect resume, I like Hannibal but the change to the end was a mistake, and it came too late anyway. He wanted the right ending with Clarice running off with Hannibal like in the book, but Foster didn't like that, so they changed it but she still didn't want anything to do with the film. They should have just said, "eh, we don't need ya, see ya", got Moore, who I think is better anyways, and went with the original ending. It makes sense, Clarice obviously was attracted to Hannibal it was obvious in Lambs, not sure what the attraction was, I think it was just because he got into her head, keep in mind, he was a very respected psychologist. But anywho... time for sleep.. But Gladiator rocks... I love that movie... its probably my favorite Scott film, which is coming from a guy who digs Alien a lot. Gladiator is a masterpiece. There have been some latter day films (and the HBO series Rome) that have been tremendous, "Troy" and "Alexander" are two more. But I'm also thinking back to much older classics as "Spartacus" and "Ben Hur".
Scott is a genius. I agree with you on "Gladiator", I have to put that at #1. Have to put "Hannibal" next, then "Alien"....I really like "Prometheus" too. I love how they really got back to and more deeply into H.R. Giger's artworks.
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Post by Deviancy on Jul 22, 2021 2:34:11 GMT
Scott is a genius. I agree with you on "Gladiator", I have to put that at #1. Have to put "Hannibal" next, then "Alien"....I really like "Prometheus" too. I love how they really got back to and more deeply into H.R. Giger's artworks.
Hannibal was a good flick but Scott made one mistake, to try to win Foster back he changed the ending, he should have left it be, the film didn't need foster. Moore did just as well as Clarice, and it made the fact Hannibal had a thing for her more realistic since Moore at that time, she still may be, a very attractive woman, I always felt Foster was cutesy but not attractive, but for each their own.
And those who have an issue with Alien Covenant, blame it on the studio and not Ridley. Ridley wanted to explore other species and how they all connect to mankind, the studio just pushed him to make sure the films would strictly be prequels to Alien.
One thing isn't going to make sense however when it does get to that point, the tech. The tech is far more advanced in the prequels, they even have a machine that can take out the alien, while Ripley and her crew didn't even have the tech to know it was in his gut. To be fair, the "good doctor" didn't want them to know he had an alien inside of him, he was working for the other side.
But "mother", despite just being blinking lights and not as advanced looking as the tech in the prequels was still pretty intelligent, so I guess it'll work out in the end, maybe. He still wants to do two more films before it leads up to the first, but after that, no clue what the future has in store for the franchise. They won't pick up where Resurrection left off, it didn't do so well and it wasn't really Ripley, it was a clone, so I'm thinking they may retcon Resurrection and 3 and have her on earth and having to deal with the spread of xenos on earth.
Time will tell but they do have to speed things up a bit, Weaver isn't getting younger.
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Post by wolf on Jul 22, 2021 19:38:30 GMT
Scott is a genius. I agree with you on "Gladiator", I have to put that at #1. Have to put "Hannibal" next, then "Alien"....I really like "Prometheus" too. I love how they really got back to and more deeply into H.R. Giger's artworks.
Hannibal was a good flick but Scott made one mistake, to try to win Foster back he changed the ending, he should have left it be, the film didn't need foster. Moore did just as well as Clarice, and it made the fact Hannibal had a thing for her more realistic since Moore at that time, she still may be, a very attractive woman, I always felt Foster was cutesy but not attractive, but for each their own.
And those who have an issue with Alien Covenant, blame it on the studio and not Ridley. Ridley wanted to explore other species and how they all connect to mankind, the studio just pushed him to make sure the films would strictly be prequels to Alien.
One thing isn't going to make sense however when it does get to that point, the tech. The tech is far more advanced in the prequels, they even have a machine that can take out the alien, while Ripley and her crew didn't even have the tech to know it was in his gut. To be fair, the "good doctor" didn't want them to know he had an alien inside of him, he was working for the other side.
But "mother", despite just being blinking lights and not as advanced looking as the tech in the prequels was still pretty intelligent, so I guess it'll work out in the end, maybe. He still wants to do two more films before it leads up to the first, but after that, no clue what the future has in store for the franchise. They won't pick up where Resurrection left off, it didn't do so well and it wasn't really Ripley, it was a clone, so I'm thinking they may retcon Resurrection and 3 and have her on earth and having to deal with the spread of xenos on earth.
Time will tell but they do have to speed things up a bit, Weaver isn't getting younger. "Hannibal" was sleek and artful, a pleasure to watch. I loved everything about that film. Except for Moore. She had her good moments, but not who I like to see portray Starling. Foster is the best, and she set the tone for the character, just as Hopkins did with Lecter. Mads Mikelson did alright in the series, but he made Hannibal into very different type. Gillian Andersen, former Agent Scully, was quite good in that series too. I liked the ending to "Hannibal". Foster on board or not. It kept the mystery and tension between the pair up. I think if she had run off with him, it would have kinda cheapened the whole thing...and I think Hannibal might have thought a bit less of her for giving in too easily. Foster had a much better rapport and chemistry with Hopkins on screen, than Moore ever could. She's too cold and rigid. I want to see this one again and "Red Dragon". I got a kick out of the brief mention that 'Lecter had been spotted somewhere in S. America, and the woman accompanying him was believed to be the former Agent Starling'. That is not verbatim, of course, but it's the gist of it. Been quite a long time since I've seen Red Dragon too.
Other than Moore the cast was GREAT. It was so good to see Barney again and get into more of his and Hannibal back story and relationship/tentative quasi-friendship. Frankie Faison was so GOOD in "Silence of the Lambs". Giancarlo Giannini was perfect as Pazzi. And of course Oldman is always magnificent. And I have liked Zeljko Ivanek in all I have seen him in. Pazzi's wife Allegra..... don't know the actress' name, but she did good a good job of playing a pretentious, shallow and irritating woman. You wanted Hannibal to take her out. But he had more important things to get to. Liotta also did a fine job of playing an extremely loathsome character. The pick pocket, all the boar wranglers....all were great and perfectly cast.
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Post by wolf on Jul 22, 2021 21:23:06 GMT
Hey Deviancy ? 😊
One thing that Moore did that was really good....
...when she was freeing Hannibal from Mason's boar pit....the way she looked at him and told him to shut up. Lol, I got a good chuckle out of that. 😄
And her scene with Barney was very good too. 🙂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 23:14:03 GMT
Agreed to that. Interesting idea about Eastwood directing. Sure, Elba, with the right surroundings could have played the character well i think. How old do you think Roland should be in a hypothetical movie?? He shouldn't be a teenager, which was what they were going for in the Amazon Dark Tower pilot. I'm glad it didn't go to series, I never liked The Wizard in Glass. I hated Wizard in Glass before I loved it
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Post by edwardjohn on Jul 23, 2021 0:02:13 GMT
He shouldn't be a teenager, which was what they were going for in the Amazon Dark Tower pilot. I'm glad it didn't go to series, I never liked The Wizard in Glass. I hated Wizard in Glass before I loved it Did you re-read it and really like it? That's quite a book to re-read.
Personally, I prefer the Marvel comic books from that period of Roland's life. The series details the aftermath of W&G right up until the end of Gilead (all original) and its awesome.
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Post by Deviancy on Jul 23, 2021 2:49:53 GMT
Other than Moore the cast was GREAT. I don't disagree that Foster had better chemistry with Hopkins, their dialog in the "prison" and at the library were very enjoyable due to that chemistry. However, Silence had Clarice primarily playing detective/sleuth, which Foster was able to handle with ease, in Hannibal Clarice had become an actual field agent and was involved in more physical altercations, which Foster wouldn't have been able to sell as well, Moore sells toughness a lot better, and she's more abrasive than Foster, and in Hannibal, she's supposed to be more abrasive because she's fed up with the FBI treating her poorly. That's why the ending does make sense in the book, and why Hannibal. But again, the books elaborate on a lot more. As for Red Dragon, its probably my favorite of the three but it is the first story part of the story, and unlike Manhunter, which is loosely based on the Red Dragon novel, the Red Dragon film starts off showing how Graham and Hannibal worked together to try to solve a case when Graham realized Hannibal was the man doing the naughty things. Norton because Graham, a lot better than Petersen, and Fiennes sold Dollarhyde a lot better than that guy from Robocop 2 and Wolfen, I mean that guy is a good actor but he's no the same realm as Fiennes. I also like how at the end of Red Dragon, the doctor lets Hopkins know that there's a young female field agent who wants to talk to him, which totally opens the door to Silence Of the Lambs. Manhunter had one great thing about, the soundtrack, all those new wave songs put me in heaven, Red Dragon's soundtrack was just all instrumental, and Silence had some good new wave tracks. Not sure why Red Dragon didn't... new wave was hip again when it came out but whatever.
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Post by wolf on Jul 24, 2021 14:30:22 GMT
Other than Moore the cast was GREAT. I don't disagree that Foster had better chemistry with Hopkins, their dialog in the "prison" and at the library were very enjoyable due to that chemistry. However, Silence had Clarice primarily playing detective/sleuth, which Foster was able to handle with ease, in Hannibal Clarice had become an actual field agent and was involved in more physical altercations, which Foster wouldn't have been able to sell as well, Moore sells toughness a lot better, and she's more abrasive than Foster, and in Hannibal, she's supposed to be more abrasive because she's fed up with the FBI treating her poorly. That's why the ending does make sense in the book, and why Hannibal. But again, the books elaborate on a lot more. As for Red Dragon, its probably my favorite of the three but it is the first story part of the story, and unlike Manhunter, which is loosely based on the Red Dragon novel, the Red Dragon film starts off showing how Graham and Hannibal worked together to try to solve a case when Graham realized Hannibal was the man doing the naughty things. Norton because Graham, a lot better than Petersen, and Fiennes sold Dollarhyde a lot better than that guy from Robocop 2 and Wolfen, I mean that guy is a good actor but he's no the same realm as Fiennes. I also like how at the end of Red Dragon, the doctor lets Hopkins know that there's a young female field agent who wants to talk to him, which totally opens the door to Silence Of the Lambs. Manhunter had one great thing about, the soundtrack, all those new wave songs put me in heaven, Red Dragon's soundtrack was just all instrumental, and Silence had some good new wave tracks. Not sure why Red Dragon didn't... new wave was hip again when it came out but whatever. Well, like I said Moore had her good moments. But I cordially agree to disagree with you, bud.🙂 Foster could have come back and done a superb job of playing the older more experienced, jaded and fed up Starling. Small of stature as Foster may be, she has the toughness in her too. She could have pulled anything off, if she wanted to. 🙂
"Red Dragon" was very good. Another that very well cast. But my least favorite. I have not seen "Manhunter".
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Post by Dizzy on Jul 24, 2021 16:44:36 GMT
Lol I Just Watch a Movie Called Pineapple Express it was Cool but I Don't Like How All The Marijuana Got Burned up in The Bad Guys Base but Seth Rogan did Video before On there Teaching Me How to Make a Cross Joint Like in The Movie an I Try it an it Works. I Like That Movie it was Ok
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Post by Deviancy on Jul 24, 2021 18:31:24 GMT
"Red Dragon" was very good. Another that very well cast. But my least favorite. I have not seen "Manhunter". Manhunter is Red Dragon but with a huge swerve at the end, I have no idea why he swerved so extreme like at the end, it was very close for awhile but boom, he went in a new direction. It doesn't bother me, Norton is a superior actor and did a much better job, and Hopkins is superior to whoever played Hannibal in Manhunter, and then Fiennes, he played an excellent messed up killer. The ending is a bit more bleak but that's how it is supposed to be, supposed to be even bleaker, and they get to do the whole, "a new agent is here to see you" thing in the film, when Mann did Manhunter, I don't even know if Silence had been written yet. As for Foster, just not a fan, liked her Silence, that's as far as it goes, I find her to be a little eh, but I wouldn't have hated her being Clarice one more time. I am curious how the new Clarice will in that new show that they're working on, I won't watch it faithfully but I'll tune in once or twice. As far as I'm concerned, the story ended with Hannibal... the end... he lives happily ever after with one less hand. Sure, that's not happy ending but every film can't have a happy ending, it would get stale. I like a nice balance... I'll put on Con Air for a happy ending, well sort of a happy ending, the serial killer, who is a parody of Hannibal, coincidentally, gets away and is seen playing cards at the end. But he may be "cured", that little girl he meets in the drained pool, she seemed to make him second guess what kind of person he was, she is missing when they show the pool again, and he has her doll, but I don't think he killed her.
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Post by Dizzy on Jul 24, 2021 21:41:56 GMT
Deviancy that Lil Girl You Talking About is Seen Waving at The Plane as Thry are Flying Away. He Definetly didn't Kill Her.
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Post by wolf on Jul 31, 2021 23:02:05 GMT
Deviancy that Lil Girl You Talking About is Seen Waving at The Plane as Thry are Flying Away. He Definetly didn't Kill Her. Yep! I remember that in Con Air,lil Sis. A great flick. 😊
Deviancy , I'm going to keep a lookout for 'Man Hunter', thanks for the run down on it. 😊
(still tryin' to get caught up on everyone's posts! Sorry, it's taking me so long guys. )
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Post by Dizzy on Aug 1, 2021 0:38:21 GMT
Yup Yup wolf Thanks Sis!
Do Anybody in Here Love The "After Dark Horror Movies" Alotta The Ones That Came Out in Early 2000s are Really Good. My Husband Has Several of them.
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Post by Deviancy on Aug 1, 2021 2:45:42 GMT
I'm going to keep a lookout for 'Man Hunter', thanks for the run down on it. 😊 Just keep in mind, it doesn't come close to digging into the psyche as Red Dragon, its more action oriented, which is typical of Michael Mann, he's like the James Cameron in this post, while the director of Red Dragon is more like Ridley Scott. He really dug into the psychological parts and is brutally dead on that Dollarhyde was a victim himself, his grandmother made him the monster he became. Now Hannibal, great film but it was a bit of a departure from heavier story telling regarding the psyche, while Red Dragon was a return to what made Silence a great film. So for me... Silence > Red Dragon > Hannibal > Manhunter > prequel Hopkins will always be Hannibal though, lots of great work besides those films but most of the quotes people use regarding him, they're from his Hannibal days. Not a bad thing though, great films....
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Post by wolf on Aug 1, 2021 15:49:33 GMT
I'm going to keep a lookout for 'Man Hunter', thanks for the run down on it. 😊 Just keep in mind, it doesn't come close to digging into the psyche as Red Dragon, its more action oriented, which is typical of Michael Mann, he's like the James Cameron in this post, while the director of Red Dragon is more like Ridley Scott. He really dug into the psychological parts and is brutally dead on that Dollarhyde was a victim himself, his grandmother made him the monster he became. Now Hannibal, great film but it was a bit of a departure from heavier story telling regarding the psyche, while Red Dragon was a return to what made Silence a great film. So for me... Silence > Red Dragon > Hannibal > Manhunter > prequel Hopkins will always be Hannibal though, lots of great work besides those films but most of the quotes people use regarding him, they're from his Hannibal days. Not a bad thing though, great films.... Got it, thanks Dev!
Fell asleep to re-watching a couple of episodes of the 'Hannibal' series the other night. I do like Mikelson, but Hopkins is always going to be the best Lecter ...for me. Mads did a great Hannibal, but a very different one. He just didn't have the passion and sinister smiling smartass that Anthony does, lol. I think his acting is very good, Mads just brought a 'different interpretation of Hannibal'.
I might re-watch that whole series again sometime. I really liked everyone in the cast. Eddie Izzard is great. I've liked him doing comedies and serious dramas alike.
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Post by Dizzy on Aug 2, 2021 23:29:05 GMT
Hi Guys What Hannibal Movie it is Where a Disfigured Bad Guy was Trying to Feed Hannibal to Killer Boars but He End Up Getting Push in there Him Self. I Seen That One.They Just Ignore Hannibal I Think because He was Smart Enough to Stay Totally Still.
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Post by wolf on Aug 3, 2021 0:43:30 GMT
Hi Guys What Hannibal Movie it is Where a Disfigured Bad Guy was Trying to Feed Hannibal to Killer Boars but He End Up Getting Push in there Him Self. I Seen That One.They Just Ignore Hannibal I Think because He was Smart Enough to Stay Totally Still. Good observation Sis. That movie is titled "Hannibal". With Gary Oldman and Julianne Moore. The same one me and Dev were talking about.
I'll come back here again when I can, and tell you what I think about it all.
I've got a lot going on tonight. You have a good one Diz.
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Post by Dizzy on Aug 3, 2021 1:27:18 GMT
Thanks For The Info wolf. I Looking Forward to Your Thoughts but There No Hurry. I Know You are A Busy Wolf Queen.
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Post by Deviancy on Aug 3, 2021 2:41:18 GMT
Hi Guys What Hannibal Movie it is Where a Disfigured Bad Guy was Trying to Feed Hannibal to Killer Boars but He End Up Getting Push in there Him Self. I Seen That One.They Just Ignore Hannibal I Think because He was Smart Enough to Stay Totally Still. Actually, pigs don't want a struggle from their "meal", they usually live on sludge, corn, their own fecal matter, etc, and so on, they're not a predator species, and actually quite lazy. But Hannibal just lucked out, while his nemesis did not, but Hannibal would go on to lose a hand, which he couldn't have been happy about since his hands were his instruments of "fun", and he was down one instrument. I'd be curious to see the film with Foster as Clarice, would be interesting to see how well she would have played the tougher Clairce, I mean Clarice was a total bad a*s in Hannibal, while just a sleuth in Silence. Foster can be tough, she was raped in the Accused but still came off tough, so I think she could have handled it but whatever, it worked out for the best, got me into Moore who went on to become one of my faves, like her best in Magnolia, her character is just great. I mean she got with the guy because he had money and cheated on him a lot, but then developed actual feelings for him so she was going through hell while he was dying, and she played that character perfectly. The whole cast of that film were on the top of their game her and Cruise were the two best... Such a great film.. I think I may watch it tomorrow, its a little long though so I don't watch it often. Anything over the 2 hour mark is long, but there's some gems that are just worth it.
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