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Post by wireman on May 17, 2021 12:10:08 GMT
Rat King (1965) George Segal
This is a great POW movie. I had never heard of it before and it showed up on The Criterion Channel. It's based on a book by James Cavell and it's about prisoners (mostly British and Australian) in a Japanese POW camp (Changi). George Segal plays American, Corporal King that thrives with black market activities while the rest of the camp starves. This is a rather brutal and grim movie for 1965.
Didn't know they made a movie out of it. The book is really good. Called King Rat. Clavell was himself a prisoner of war and i have no doubt that he baked in a lot of his experiences in the novel. It was a grim world. 1 out of 15 survived in Changi which was his prisoncamp. I like to see it sometime. I made a mistake. The movie is called King Rat too.
There are 3 famous authors I can think of (off the top of my head) that wrote books based on their own POW experience.
James Clavell - King Rat JG Ballard - Empire Of The Sun Kurt Vonnegut - Slaughterhouse Five
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Post by wireman on May 17, 2021 12:14:37 GMT
Rat King (1965) George Segal
This is a great POW movie. I had never heard of it before and it showed up on The Criterion Channel. It's based on a book by James Cavell and it's about prisoners (mostly British and Australian) in a Japanese POW camp (Changi). George Segal plays American, Corporal King that thrives with black market activities while the rest of the camp starves. This is a rather brutal and grim movie for 1965.
Didn't know they made a movie out of it. The book is really good. Called King Rat. Clavell was himself a prisoner of war and i have no doubt that he baked in a lot of his experiences in the novel. It was a grim world. 1 out of 15 survived in Changi which was his prisoncamp. I like to see it sometime. There is an Australian mini series that I saw years ago called Changi that is good.
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Post by edwardjohn on May 17, 2021 22:10:10 GMT
Color out of Space
After a meteorite lands in the front yard of their farm, Nathan Gardner and his family find themselves battling a mutant extraterrestrial organism that infects their minds and bodies, transforming their quiet rural life into a technicolor nightmare.
A mind melting, visually stunning exercise in cosmic horror. It was such an odd choice to decide to adapt that story out of all of Lovecraft's work. There were a lot of really cool scenes in the story that the film, for whatever reason, did not put on the screen.
Lovecraft's works don't really lend themselves to adaptions.
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Post by edwardjohn on May 17, 2021 22:15:16 GMT
We Watched This Movie Last Night Called "Run all Night" Starring Liam Neeson, Ed Harris, an Common.
It was A Wild Film Liam Neeson Plays a Hit Man Who Was Working for a Irish Mafia Boss (Ed Harris) an Well i Dont Wanna Give it Away but They End Turning on Eachother After a Bad Event Takes Place.
Liam Was Good in This again Playing The Tough Guy With His Back against The Wall again But Ed Harris Stole The Show imo. Common was Just in The Movie this Times but Didnt Have Very Many Speaking Parts though. Has You Guys Ever Seen This Movie? I love that movie. Its a brilliant story featuring great performances.
I like Common as an actor. Usually it doesn't really work out when rappers decide to become actors, but that isn't the case with Common. He plays the role of the assassin/mercenary to perfection and you really fear for Liam Neeson when he gets into the final confrontation with Common.
I really like how Liam Neeson is the go to action star.
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Post by Dizzy on May 17, 2021 22:26:21 GMT
All Good Points edwardjohn Thank You for Replying Me. You Right at that Final Confrontation I was Nervous an didn't know What Would happen.
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Post by Deviancy on May 18, 2021 2:45:14 GMT
Really?...hmmm... better go look up Puzo and tell him that he got it all wrong! 😄😉.....I'm KIDDING!...I think that back...way back then...that there were certain things that were off limits... He was totally wrong but he just went overboard. Sopranos was pretty authentic but it just got overused, and they made them anti heroes and not bad guys, and in some ways, at least during prohibition, they were kind of freedom fighters, making booze illegal was evil. I mean adults have every right to poison themselves, just as long they don't get behind the wheel. So the Mafia gave the people what they wanted back, and I don't have an issue with that. The sad thing is, prohibition was lifted after Capone got busted, so lots of people died fighting a war over a law that didn't even last long. And many made a huge profit over a law that never should have existed. I don't drink but I also don't smoke pot, but both should be legal, I do smoke, and I think its absurd its against the rules to smoke in bars, its been proven alcohol causes cancer, so people are already poisoning themselves, may as well have them lighting up as well. The secondary smoke thing when it comes to the workers, eh. They made the choice to work at bars, no one forced them to be bartenders. They could work at Starbucks instead serving frappucinos.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 14:11:28 GMT
Color out of Space
After a meteorite lands in the front yard of their farm, Nathan Gardner and his family find themselves battling a mutant extraterrestrial organism that infects their minds and bodies, transforming their quiet rural life into a technicolor nightmare.
A mind melting, visually stunning exercise in cosmic horror. Recommend the original short story, top 2 HP Lovecraft short stories for me. Only takes about an hour to read
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 14:15:46 GMT
Color out of Space
After a meteorite lands in the front yard of their farm, Nathan Gardner and his family find themselves battling a mutant extraterrestrial organism that infects their minds and bodies, transforming their quiet rural life into a technicolor nightmare.
A mind melting, visually stunning exercise in cosmic horror. It was such an odd choice to decide to adapt that story out of all of Lovecraft's work. There were a lot of really cool scenes in the story that the film, for whatever reason, did not put on the screen.
Lovecraft's works don't really lend themselves to adaptions.I feel like visually adapting a story based around a color that, I’m the story, is described to be unlike any other color we humans have ever seen, is pretty hard to do. I would have personally made the film black and white and have the only thing in Color be the Colour. Darkest Dungeon did a cool homage to The Colour Out of Space in the Colour of Madness dlc. It’s not a direct adaptation of the story, but it still involves a new area taking place in a farm corrupted by a colorful meteorite that landed there and mutated into horrific creatures.
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Post by edwardjohn on May 18, 2021 14:41:21 GMT
It was such an odd choice to decide to adapt that story out of all of Lovecraft's work. There were a lot of really cool scenes in the story that the film, for whatever reason, did not put on the screen.
Lovecraft's works don't really lend themselves to adaptions. I feel like visually adapting a story based around a color that, I’m the story, is described to be unlike any other color we humans have ever seen, is pretty hard to do. I would have personally made the film black and white and have the only thing in Color be the Colour. Darkest Dungeon did a cool homage to The Colour Out of Space in the Colour of Madness dlc. It’s not a direct adaptation of the story, but it still involves a new area taking place in a farm corrupted by a colorful meteorite that landed there and mutated into horrific creatures. I really question whether you can even call this an adaption of a Lovecraft work. The film is so different from the story that its unbelievable. There's a great scene in the book where a bunch of cops show up to check what's going on, they end up getting trapped in the house before running away from the creatures which had been infected by the colour. That was awesome, why wasn't that scene in the movie?
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Post by Deviancy on May 18, 2021 14:46:04 GMT
We Watched This Movie Last Night Called "Run all Night" Starring Liam Neeson, Ed Harris, an Common. I was looking over the films I have last night, I actually have seen Run All Night, so there isn't a second film with Liam and Ed, the film I saw was the film you're referring to. I just didn't pick up on it because you said Common was in the film, and I didn't remember Common in the film but that was because he was just a hitman who didn't a whole hell of a lot, just was tracking Liam. The weird thing is, he continued his pursuit after the person who hired him died, you'd think he'd just take the money and forget about it but he was also trying to prove he was better than Liam. Liam needs another Schindlers List to prove he can still just do drama, he's getting too pigeonholed into the action guy, and he's getting too old to be in that role.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 14:47:57 GMT
I feel like visually adapting a story based around a color that, I’m the story, is described to be unlike any other color we humans have ever seen, is pretty hard to do. I would have personally made the film black and white and have the only thing in Color be the Colour. Darkest Dungeon did a cool homage to The Colour Out of Space in the Colour of Madness dlc. It’s not a direct adaptation of the story, but it still involves a new area taking place in a farm corrupted by a colorful meteorite that landed there and mutated into horrific creatures. I really question whether you can even call this an adaption of a Lovecraft work. The film is so different from the story that its unbelievable. There's a great scene in the book where a bunch of cops show up to check what's going on, they end up getting trapped in the house before running away from the creatures which had been infected by the colour. That was awesome, why wasn't that scene in the movie?Adaptation doesn’t mean everything has to be carried over. It’s just a different take on the basic idea. Like the Kubrick Shining adaptation. I think cosmic horror can be done well in movies, if it’s done smartly. The Thing, Reanimator, From Beyond, The Void, Possession, The Beyond, In the Mouth of Madness, Prince of Darkness. Just requires a good understanding of what makes cosmic horror scary, and not thinking it just implies weird cults and tentacle monsters.
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Post by edwardjohn on May 18, 2021 14:51:52 GMT
I really question whether you can even call this an adaption of a Lovecraft work. The film is so different from the story that its unbelievable. There's a great scene in the book where a bunch of cops show up to check what's going on, they end up getting trapped in the house before running away from the creatures which had been infected by the colour. That was awesome, why wasn't that scene in the movie? Adaptation doesn’t mean everything has to be carried over. It’s just a different take on the basic idea. Like the Kubrick Shining adaptation. I think cosmic horror can be done well in movies, if it’s done smartly. The Thing, Reanimator, From Beyond, The Void, Possession, The Beyond, In the Mouth of Madness, Prince of Darkness. Just requires a good understanding of what makes cosmic horror scary, and not thinking it just implies weird cults and tentacle monsters. This was meant to be the start of a planned trilogy, but the director has got into quite a bit of trouble and it doesn't seem as if anymore are getting made. The next film was going to be based on The Dunwich Horror. To be honest, I'm not all that disappointed, Lovecraft wrote far better tales than Dunwich, why not The Horror at Red Hook?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 14:56:54 GMT
Adaptation doesn’t mean everything has to be carried over. It’s just a different take on the basic idea. Like the Kubrick Shining adaptation. I think cosmic horror can be done well in movies, if it’s done smartly. The Thing, Reanimator, From Beyond, The Void, Possession, The Beyond, In the Mouth of Madness, Prince of Darkness. Just requires a good understanding of what makes cosmic horror scary, and not thinking it just implies weird cults and tentacle monsters. This was meant to be the start of a planned trilogy, but the director has got into quite a bit of trouble and it doesn't seem as if anymore are getting made. The next film was going to be based on The Dunwich Horror. To be honest, I'm not all that disappointed, Lovecraft wrote far better tales than Dunwich, why not The Horror at Red Hook?The Horror at Red Hook is a story I don’t really like. I feel like people who read it would get the wrong impression of the majority of Lovecraft’s work. Everyone knows Lovecraft was a racist and that’s just unfortunate, but it isn’t really something that permeates a lot of his work. Then there’s Horror at Red Hook, one of his most well known stories, perhaps the first a lot of people read, and that story is filled with racist stereotypes of asian immigrants. I fully understand not wanting to adapt a story where the original text contains a lot of yellowfacing considering the fact that racism against Asians is an unfortunate topic going on in the US right now, even if those aspects were taken out in the film version.
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Post by edwardjohn on May 18, 2021 15:34:33 GMT
This was meant to be the start of a planned trilogy, but the director has got into quite a bit of trouble and it doesn't seem as if anymore are getting made. The next film was going to be based on The Dunwich Horror. To be honest, I'm not all that disappointed, Lovecraft wrote far better tales than Dunwich, why not The Horror at Red Hook? The Horror at Red Hook is a story I don’t really like. I feel like people who read it would get the wrong impression of the majority of Lovecraft’s work. Everyone knows Lovecraft was a racist and that’s just unfortunate, but it isn’t really something that permeates a lot of his work. Then there’s Horror at Red Hook, one of his most well known stories, perhaps the first a lot of people read, and that story is filled with racist stereotypes of asian immigrants. I fully understand not wanting to adapt a story where the original text contains a lot of yellowfacing considering the fact that racism against Asians is an unfortunate topic going on in the US right now, even if those aspects were taken out in the film version. Its not my favorite Lovecraft story, but I do think it would make a great film. I think a lot of people forget that HP was born in 1890. Expecting his world-view to be the same as it is now is lunacy.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 16:24:47 GMT
The Horror at Red Hook is a story I don’t really like. I feel like people who read it would get the wrong impression of the majority of Lovecraft’s work. Everyone knows Lovecraft was a racist and that’s just unfortunate, but it isn’t really something that permeates a lot of his work. Then there’s Horror at Red Hook, one of his most well known stories, perhaps the first a lot of people read, and that story is filled with racist stereotypes of asian immigrants. I fully understand not wanting to adapt a story where the original text contains a lot of yellowfacing considering the fact that racism against Asians is an unfortunate topic going on in the US right now, even if those aspects were taken out in the film version. Its not my favorite Lovecraft story, but I do think it would make a great film. I think a lot of people forget that HP was born in 1890. Expecting his world-view to be the same as it is now is lunacy. I’m not saying we should hold him to today’s standards. But that doesn’t mean the fact that he vilifies Asians multiple times in Red Hook is okay or ignorable (considering he does it so many times in said story. It could maybe be ignorable if it was only in passing or said briefly, but again, he does it so many times in Red Hook). Besides, there are better written Lovecraft stories. I think Red Hook could be a decent level in a Silent Hill/Evil Within/Resident Evil style survival horror game, though.
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Post by Dizzy on May 18, 2021 17:14:35 GMT
Yea Deviancy You Right. I Think He Continue his Pursuie because he Got Embaressed an Took it Personal that Liam got the better of him in there first Fight in the Apartment Building. so he had a Grudge then...but even before that when Ed Harris Offered Common the Job of Taking him Out Common said "I Would have Did it for Free" or someting like that. so it Sound Like there was a Personal History between those 2 but they never really Said Why in the Movie.
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Post by Deviancy on May 19, 2021 0:30:29 GMT
so it Sound Like there was a Personal History between those 2 but they never really Said Why in the Movie.
It came off more like Common knew Liam had the iconic hitman past, and he wanted to become new alpha, so he was willing to take Liam out for free because if he could, he'd be seen as one of the best. However, I do think it became personal after Liam got the best of him in the apartment building, then there was a grudge and the alpha male card in play. Its like John Wick, only in reverse, John was responsible for the death of his employer, so had grudge, but he also knew if he could take out an iconic hitman like John, he'd be seen as the new top dog.
The bad actor in Run All Night is the actor who played Liam's son, he's always iffy, he was iffy in the Robocop reboot as well. He looks more like a druggie who'd be on the bad guys side, but they try to make him the hero. They tried to do the same again with Suicide Squad, he just doesn't have the good guy traits. But they keep trying for some reason, wonder if he has family in the industry.
Anywho...
Close Encounters was today's film choice, love that film... but I also love ID4. I've said before, not a big sci fi fan but do dig those two films, they're entirely different though. Close Encounters, more about realizing we're not alone, total peace and realization, ID4, total war and near extinction. The ID4 sequel, not so great, not enough Goldblum, too much of the new characters, who weren't that great.
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Post by Dizzy on May 19, 2021 0:57:14 GMT
You Gotta Good Point again lol Deviancy always So Thinking outside The Box My Friend. You Know Much About Films.
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Post by Deviancy on May 19, 2021 2:49:45 GMT
You Gotta Good Point again lol Deviancy always So Thinking outside The Box My Friend. You Know Much About Films. Its more about the male psyche than films. When it came to 80's metal, the singers were very competitive because each one wanted to be seen as the best, not only music wise but with the ladies, so there was a lot of tension, so many of the bands wouldn't even play together because they were so competitive of one another. The funny thing is, now that 80's metal isn't remotely as popular as it used to be, those same singers will perform together because they realize working together they have a better chance of selling more tickets. So they put their alpha male side aside, in order to turn a profit. That's the one thing that men like that will put ego aside for, lots of money.
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Post by Deviancy on May 20, 2021 2:39:49 GMT
Today's film of the day was The Goonies, Most of the film was shot where they said they lived, a coastal town in Oregon. I've liked the film since I was a kid, they roughly the same age as I was when it came out, so seeing kids my age going on a wild adventure was fun. But when I moved near where they filmed the movie years back, I got to check out the "town" they lived in and damn, it made me understand even more why they wouldn't want to leave. There was a sequel, it just wasn't a film, it was a game. I didn't understand what they were doing at the time, I figured they'd make a Goonies game based on the first film, but they made a Goonies game based after the events of the first film where the Goonies have an entirely new adventure, but its actually semi difficult and fun. A lot of movie based Nintendo games were kinda lame but I liked the Goonies 2.
That's a film I'm pretty sure we won't see rebooted since Amblin owns it, and Speilberg owns Amblin, at least I last I checked.
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