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Post by Wicked Esther on Jul 25, 2020 17:15:45 GMT
I am rereading the Stand and a random thought came to me...the scene where we are introduced to Lloyd almost sounds like the beginning to Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Two guys, stoned out of their minds, driving through the desert Interesting. I had to look this up, but Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas ( the book) came out in 1971. Do you think there’s a chance SK could have read it and been inspired? |
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Post by darkharbinger on Jul 25, 2020 17:51:44 GMT
It seems like the sort of thing SK would read
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Post by wolf on Jul 25, 2020 19:52:37 GMT
I am rereading the Stand and a random thought came to me...the scene where we are introduced to Lloyd almost sounds like the beginning to Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Two guys, stoned out of their minds, driving through the desert Interesting. I had to look this up, but Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas ( the book) came out in 1971. Do you think there’s a chance SK could have read it and been inspired?
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Post by wolf on Jan 5, 2021 19:20:44 GMT
Trashcan man.
Trashy, or Donald, was another favorite character.
"Cibola" he used to say over and over.
So reminiscent of the city of "El Dorado" for me...
{"Gayly bedight, a gallant knight,
in sunshine and in shadow,
had journeyed long...."
-Edgar Allen Poe-
I hope I recalled those lines correctly.
Been a very long while since I read that poem.}
In his own mind, I think, Trashy could have seen himself as a sort of knight,
on an urgent, loving quest of a kind.
Fire, and the ways and means of making fire.
Those things were Trashcan man's gold, his greatest love and desire.
"My life for you!" he said and thought to the Walkin' Dude, over and over again.
Randy Flagg was the only person who had ever given mistreated, neglected, very dangerously ill and misunderstood Donald any real time and attention, along with permission to do what made him truly happy.
That "permission" that Flagg gave him, THAT was definitely something no one had ever done for him before. It is really no wonder he was so doggedly loyal to Flagg.
He got to do his dream job, and someone actually liked it when he did it! lol 
And Trashy, with his extraordinary talent/gift for "sniffing out" the most volatile and explosive things was such a great and useful asset and tool for Flagg.
I think he could have been another kind of "breaker", to be attained and used.
Like Ted Brautigan...and others were.
Maybe.
Flagg was overconfident, and overestimated his power of control.
So good prevailed. Like always. 
That's what I think about these 2 particular characters.
I'm just looking into one of the many facets this diamond of a story might have to offer.
lol, I got a strange imagination. 😄😉 |
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Post by Dizzy on Jan 5, 2021 19:33:23 GMT
Those are Great Idea wolf I Like you said that really Well Thanks for Sharing sis. It Very Cool that you said Good Prevails like always too i love that Part.what do you Mean by Breaker though an Who is Ted Brautigan? 
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Post by wolf on Jan 5, 2021 19:58:22 GMT
Those are Great Idea wolf I Like you said that really Well Thanks for Sharing sis. It Very Cool that you said Good Prevails like always too i love that Part.what do you Mean by Breaker though an Who is Ted Brautigan?
I've seen the movie, but not gotten to read the King book yet, unfortunately.
The Breakers are people like him, with gifts like his.
{Anyone reading this, please correct me if I am misremembering anything.  🙂}
....I think that Trashy could be some kind of Breaker,
I definitely think Charlie in Firestarter would be considered one.
...you know, the telepathy, telekinesis, pyrokinesis type gifts...I think those people are all different kinds of "Breakers"
Love your discussions Diz!
You always have great stuff to bring!
Thankee 😊 |
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Post by Dizzy on Jan 5, 2021 21:31:04 GMT
Ohhh wolf I Haven't Read that Hearts in Atlantis Story Yet but Now I wanna Check it Out soon.
What About Carrie White Would She Be Consider a Breaker to? I Bet You are Right though Sis Trashy Probably is One because he He Some Supernatural ability to Find all Weapons in The Desert. i Think The Dark Man even said Even Said Trashcan Man Could Have Found other Plagues too unleash too but that wasn't his style though so he Didn't Wanna do it that Way.
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Post by wolf on Jan 5, 2021 21:46:12 GMT
Ohhh wolf I Haven't Read that Hearts in Atlantis Story Yet but Now I wanna Check it Out soon.
What About Carrie White Would She Be Consider a Breaker to? I Bet You are Right though Sis Trashy Probably is One because he He Some Supernatural ability to Find all Weapons in The Desert. i Think The Dark Man even said Even Said Trashcan Man Could Have Found other Plagues too unleash too but that wasn't his style though so he Didn't Wanna do it that Way.
I just personally thin that would be a Breaker ability.
Oh wow....it's been a LONG time
since I read The Stand.
I didn't remember Flagg saying that
about Trashcan Man,
thanks for pointing that out, Diz. 😊 |
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Post by Dizzy on Jan 5, 2021 21:52:32 GMT
I Totally Agree about Carrie Sis! Also I Cant Remember if Randall Flagg Said it or Trashcan Man Was Thinking that but I Remember it Being in The Story Some Were. wolf
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Post by Dizzy on Jun 19, 2021 19:53:33 GMT
Im Rwading The Stand Right Now but i Remembering alot of it an Do Anyone Agree With Me an Feel Sorry For The Trash Can Man an Also Harold Lauder too? In The Stand?
Because Trash Got a Really Bad Life an He Couldn't Really Help Him Self With How He was an He Isa Outcast Every Where He Goes Up Until The End. Plus Harold too because He Just Got Played an Used an Lied too Thinking He was Important to Randall Flagg When He wasn't really.
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Post by Dizzy on Jun 23, 2021 16:27:34 GMT
Lol Still Cant Believe The Kid Thought He was Going to Take Out Randall Flagg an Take Over The Place Him Self.
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Post by drawntokatet on Jun 24, 2021 14:51:38 GMT
Im Rwading The Stand Right Now but i Remembering alot of it an Do Anyone Agree With Me an Feel Sorry For The Trash Can Man an Also Harold Lauder too? In The Stand?
Because Trash Got a Really Bad Life an He Couldn't Really Help Him Self With How He was an He Isa Outcast Every Where He Goes Up Until The End. Plus Harold too because He Just Got Played an Used an Lied too Thinking He was Important to Randall Flagg When He wasn't really.
For me the moral to the story is to think for yourself. Don't be a Harold or a Trashcan Man. "My life for YOU!" LOL, what nonsense.
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Post by Dizzy on Jun 24, 2021 17:28:08 GMT
IK What You Talking About drawntokatet but The Reason I Feel Bad For Them is because They are Outsiders An I Relate to That I Know What it Feels Like. Because I Been Made Fun of Alot too.
Now I Wouldn't Have Join Randall Flaggs People because I am More on The Good Side then Bad Even With Everyting That Happen to Me. I Would Still Join The Good Side.
I Just Saying The Trashcan Man Was a Pyro an Schizophrenic an Damaged an He Lived For The Fires. He Wouldn't Have Fit in With Mother Abigails Side. Harold was Still Not Very Mature even tho He was Smart that was His Problem imo.
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Post by wolf on Jun 24, 2021 19:17:03 GMT
Im Rwading The Stand Right Now but i Remembering alot of it an Do Anyone Agree With Me an Feel Sorry For The Trash Can Man an Also Harold Lauder too? In The Stand?
Because Trash Got a Really Bad Life an He Couldn't Really Help Him Self With How He was an He Isa Outcast Every Where He Goes Up Until The End. Plus Harold too because He Just Got Played an Used an Lied too Thinking He was Important to Randall Flagg When He wasn't really.
Im Rwading The Stand Right Now but i Remembering alot of it an Do Anyone Agree With Me an Feel Sorry For The Trash Can Man an Also Harold Lauder too? In The Stand?
Because Trash Got a Really Bad Life an He Couldn't Really Help Him Self With How He was an He Isa Outcast Every Where He Goes Up Until The End. Plus Harold too because He Just Got Played an Used an Lied too Thinking He was Important to Randall Flagg When He wasn't really.
For me the moral to the story is to think for yourself. Don't be a Harold or a Trashcan Man. "My life for YOU!" LOL, what nonsense.
Reminds me of January 6th! Jackasses.
Today we would call Harold an Incel. www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Incel
Remember that Stephen King is a great observer of human behavior and uses what he witnesses in his character development.
....of the two, the only one I would have had any sympathy for was Donald.
Poor bastard was a misbegotten unfortunate. ...but he was still "just NOT RIGHT".🙂 |
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Post by drawntokatet on Jun 24, 2021 19:31:42 GMT
IK What You Talking About drawntokatet but The Reason I Feel Bad For Them is because They are Outsiders An I Relate to That I Know What it Feels Like. Because I Been Made Fun of Alot too.
Now I Wouldn't Have Join Randall Flaggs People because I am More on The Good Side then Bad Even With Everyting That Happen to Me. I Would Still Join The Good Side.
I Just Saying The Trashcan Man Was a Pyro an Schizophrenic an Damaged an He Lived For The Fires. He Wouldn't Have Fit in With Mother Abigails Side. Harold was Still Not Very Mature even tho He was Smart that was His Problem imo. You would have 'heard' Mother Abigail and gone to visit her, Dizzy . |
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Post by wolf on Jun 24, 2021 19:39:05 GMT
IK What You Talking About drawntokatet but The Reason I Feel Bad For Them is because They are Outsiders An I Relate to That I Know What it Feels Like. Because I Been Made Fun of Alot too.
Now I Wouldn't Have Join Randall Flaggs People because I am More on The Good Side then Bad Even With Everyting That Happen to Me. I Would Still Join The Good Side.
I Just Saying The Trashcan Man Was a Pyro an Schizophrenic an Damaged an He Lived For The Fires. He Wouldn't Have Fit in With Mother Abigails Side. Harold was Still Not Very Mature even tho He was Smart that was His Problem imo. I Wouldn't Call Him a Incel though because He Did Tings With Nadine. You would have 'heard' Mother Abigail and gone to visit her, Dizzy .
You too, Cool Chick.  |
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Post by Dizzy on Jun 24, 2021 21:48:07 GMT
IK What You Talking About drawntokatet but The Reason I Feel Bad For Them is because They are Outsiders An I Relate to That I Know What it Feels Like. Because I Been Made Fun of Alot too.
Now I Wouldn't Have Join Randall Flaggs People because I am More on The Good Side then Bad Even With Everyting That Happen to Me. I Would Still Join The Good Side.
I Just Saying The Trashcan Man Was a Pyro an Schizophrenic an Damaged an He Lived For The Fires. He Wouldn't Have Fit in With Mother Abigails Side. Harold was Still Not Very Mature even tho He was Smart that was His Problem imo. You would have 'heard' Mother Abigail and gone to visit her, Dizzy . |
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Post by Dizzy on Jun 24, 2021 23:02:24 GMT
You would have 'heard' Mother Abigail and gone to visit her, Dizzy .
You too, Cool Chick.  |
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Post by Dizzy on Jun 24, 2021 23:03:41 GMT
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Post by wolf on Jun 24, 2021 23:22:56 GMT
Yeah. 😊
You too, Cool Chick. |
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