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Post by wolf on Sept 29, 2020 13:20:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 15:26:33 GMT
Yet again, I am thoroughly enjoying @kurben and edwardjohn 's wonderful history discussions! Just as I know Lady spideyman does. Lady? .....this is the best place I can think to move these interesting talks, as they ARE what I am avidly reading at the moment. Can you think of a better thread? 🙂 I think the discussion is GREAT and very Cantina worthy, but following in the example Ms.M gave us in the SKMB Cantina, I think it is better suited for other places, when the talks get so lengthy and involved. 🙂 @kurben ? When these discussions arise, is there any particular place you would like to see them placed? Name it! I will be more than happy to assist you any way I can. Sincerely. 🙂
(And I know this is off topic.....forgive me this one indulgence.....but have either of you Kurbie and Edders....and anyone else, ever enjoyed the HBO series "Rome"?.....I think it was very good myself, loved the cast and EVERYTHING about it. 🙂)
Everyone have a wonderful evening/night/whenever! 🙂 Just my thoughts---- the Cantina is a place for chit chat conversing on a variety of topics. Personally, I find the conversations/ chit chat between @kurben and edwardjohn in the Cantina, just that-- not to the extent that they are directly related to a particular book they read or are reading. Seems fine to me to stay within the Cantina context. Educational and enjoyable break from the daily life chit chat.
I defer to @kurben . Only just saw the discussion about this. This is my comment. That when EJ and i occasionally discuss a historic topic i think it might very well fit under the Cantina roof unless a specific book is mentioned then it might be better housed in what am i reading. In the above example no book was mentioned and we both draw from our personal knowledge collected from many sources about the subject. Personally i havent been reading a book about Rome in almost two years i think. So, personally, i think this chit-chat was just a dialogue between two friends in a cantina
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Post by spideyman on Sept 29, 2020 15:32:09 GMT
Just my thoughts---- the Cantina is a place for chit chat conversing on a variety of topics. Personally, I find the conversations/ chit chat between @kurben and edwardjohn in the Cantina, just that-- not to the extent that they are directly related to a particular book they read or are reading. Seems fine to me to stay within the Cantina context. Educational and enjoyable break from the daily life chit chat.
I defer to @kurben . Only just saw the discussion about this. This is my comment. That when EJ and i occasionally discuss a historic topic i think it might very well fit under the Cantina roof unless a specific book is mentioned then it might be better housed in what am i reading. In the above example no book was mentioned and we both draw from our personal knowledge collected from many sources about the subject. Personally i havent been reading a book about Rome in almost two years i think. So, personally, i think this chit-chat was just a dialogue between two friends in a cantina Totally agree with you, @kurben. Chit chat in the Cantina.
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Post by wolf on Sept 29, 2020 15:59:41 GMT
Thank you @kurben and spideyman ! Appreciate that input. 😊
Like I said before, I moved the posts here because they were what "I" was reading about. 😊 I didn't know this thread was exclusively for novels.
And I did leave Edward John's and Kurben's chit chat in the Cantina, and (again, following the example of Ms.Mod on the SKMB) took out the lengthier more involved posts.
The last time I moved posts from there to here I mentioned Kurben Self Promotion thread, and it is EXCELLENT!.....didn't want to move any of it there. That's for YOUR work, and comments on it.
Everyone have a wonderful day! 😊🐺
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Post by edwardjohn on Sept 29, 2020 19:05:28 GMT
Yet again, I am thoroughly enjoying @kurben and edwardjohn 's wonderful history discussions! Just as I know Lady spideyman does. Lady? .....this is the best place I can think to move these interesting talks, as they ARE what I am avidly reading at the moment. Can you think of a better thread? 🙂 I think the discussion is GREAT and very Cantina worthy, but following in the example Ms.M gave us in the SKMB Cantina, I think it is better suited for other places, when the talks get so lengthy and involved. 🙂 @kurben ? When these discussions arise, is there any particular place you would like to see them placed? Name it! I will be more than happy to assist you any way I can. Sincerely. 🙂
(And I know this is off topic.....forgive me this one indulgence.....but have either of you Kurbie and Edders....and anyone else, ever enjoyed the HBO series "Rome"?.....I think it was very good myself, loved the cast and EVERYTHING about it. 🙂)
Everyone have a wonderful evening/night/whenever! 🙂 Just my thoughts---- the Cantina is a place for chit chat conversing on a variety of topics. Personally, I find the conversations/ chit chat between @kurben and edwardjohn in the Cantina, just that-- not to the extent that they are directly related to a particular book they read or are reading. Seems fine to me to stay within the Cantina context. Educational and enjoyable break from the daily life chit chat.
I defer to @kurben . Thank You.
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Post by edwardjohn on Sept 29, 2020 19:06:17 GMT
Just my thoughts---- the Cantina is a place for chit chat conversing on a variety of topics. Personally, I find the conversations/ chit chat between @kurben and edwardjohn in the Cantina, just that-- not to the extent that they are directly related to a particular book they read or are reading. Seems fine to me to stay within the Cantina context. Educational and enjoyable break from the daily life chit chat.
I defer to @kurben . Only just saw the discussion about this. This is my comment. That when EJ and i occasionally discuss a historic topic i think it might very well fit under the Cantina roof unless a specific book is mentioned then it might be better housed in what am i reading. In the above example no book was mentioned and we both draw from our personal knowledge collected from many sources about the subject. Personally i havent been reading a book about Rome in almost two years i think. So, personally, i think this chit-chat was just a dialogue between two friends in a cantina Agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 14:17:01 GMT
Reading Captain Courageous by Rudyard Kipling. One of my fave authors. Its a reread but this story is great. It is basically a growing up tale but it is an adventure , a character study and captures beautifully the atmosphere and feeling of a fishing boat in the late 1800,s. Great economic writing which says a lot in few words. Its a reread, for the umpteenth time, but i never get tired of some of his tales. You can read them again and again.
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Post by Wicked Esther on Oct 2, 2020 14:59:55 GMT
Reading Captain Courageous by Rudyard Kipling. One of my fave authors. Its a reread but this story is great. It is basically a growing up tale but it is an adventure , a character study and captures beautifully the atmosphere and feeling of a fishing boat in the late 1800,s. Great economic writing which says a lot in few words. Its a reread, for the umpteenth time, but i never get tired of some of his tales. You can read them again and again. I saw this movie on tv a few months ago and really liked it. I mentioned it to my husband, and then he walked into another room, and came back out carrying the old paperback novel of it. I never even knew we owned it. So one of these days I'm gonna read it
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Post by Steffen on Oct 4, 2020 0:17:55 GMT
Dark Harvest - Norman Partridge. A lean, effective little Halloween tale set in rural America. If you like Halloween spooks, this is for you.
The Outsider - SK. It's not like his pure horror work of the 70s/80s, but it by far one of his finer works as far as thrillers go, with none of the bloat of his hey-day.
I read Elevation in an afternoon. What a wonderfully optimistic story, and a nice little departure for King. The old man can still tug at our heartstrings.
Next up, I'm gonna start The Institute. Also, I'm a little over half-way though Sleeping Beauties buy that book was boring the heck out of me. I have to finish it at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 21:00:25 GMT
Reading The Popes by John Julius Norwich. A history of the Popes and the Papacy. When you look at them it is rather amazing how many degraded people have occupied the Popes seat. One actually turned the whole of his palace into a big brothel where he wandered around deciding which were the lucky girls for this day. Other wre not really interested in religion, only in power while others were weak and only interested in staying alive and then there were a minority that actually were capable leaders of the church.
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Post by Steffen on Oct 5, 2020 12:57:41 GMT
Reading The Popes by John Julius Norwich. A history of the Popes and the Papacy. When you look at them it is rather amazing how many degraded people have occupied the Popes seat. One actually turned the whole of his palace into a big brothel where he wandered around deciding which were the lucky girls for this day. Other wre not really interested in religion, only in power while others were weak and only interested in staying alive and then there were a minority that actually were capable leaders of the church. So, not much has changed, huh?
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Post by morgan on Oct 7, 2020 4:47:13 GMT
spideyman cat Have either of you lovely ladies read If She Wakes by Michael Koryta? I picked it up at the used bookstore today. You've both read more of his work than I have.
cat I'm still slowly reading The Unwilling. It's a genre I don't enjoy. Not my thing. But I love Braffet so much I had to try. I'm about halfway through. It's very gypsy-esque to me, which is probably why I haven't given up.
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Post by spideyman on Oct 7, 2020 11:01:43 GMT
spideyman cat Have either of you lovely ladies read If She Wakes by Michael Koryta? I picked it up at the used bookstore today. You've both read more of his work than I have.
cat I'm still slowly reading The Unwilling. It's a genre I don't enjoy. Not my thing. But I love Braffet so much I had to try. I'm about halfway through. It's very gypsy-esque to me, which is probably why I haven't given up.
Loved If She Wakes. Sit down and enjoy. Page turner, heart touching, can't stop reading once you start. A mystery to solve.
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Post by cat on Oct 7, 2020 12:25:31 GMT
spideyman cat Have either of you lovely ladies read If She Wakes by Michael Koryta? I picked it up at the used bookstore today. You've both read more of his work than I have.
cat I'm still slowly reading The Unwilling. It's a genre I don't enjoy. Not my thing. But I love Braffet so much I had to try. I'm about halfway through. It's very gypsy-esque to me, which is probably why I haven't given up.
If She Wakes is still in my tbr pile! But not because of any reason other than sometimes, I like to save books I know I am going to enjoy for a while. Weird, I know. Haha. The Unwilling was my first Braffet book! It is not a genre I am typically drawn to either, but I did really enjoy this one. It kind of reminded me of the Game of Thrones universe. Not necessarily story-wise, it is a unique story, but in the kingdom type setting, with all the intrigue and plotting. I really liked it. Let me know what you think when you have finished it!
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Post by edwardjohn on Oct 7, 2020 14:10:39 GMT
Reading The Popes by John Julius Norwich. A history of the Popes and the Papacy. When you look at them it is rather amazing how many degraded people have occupied the Popes seat. One actually turned the whole of his palace into a big brothel where he wandered around deciding which were the lucky girls for this day. Other wre not really interested in religion, only in power while others were weak and only interested in staying alive and then there were a minority that actually were capable leaders of the church. So, not much has changed, huh? I like Pope Francis a lot, he has done a lot to change most non-Catholics perception of the Papacy, myself included, what a great man he is.
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Post by edwardjohn on Oct 7, 2020 14:14:24 GMT
Reading The Popes by John Julius Norwich. A history of the Popes and the Papacy. When you look at them it is rather amazing how many degraded people have occupied the Popes seat. One actually turned the whole of his palace into a big brothel where he wandered around deciding which were the lucky girls for this day. Other wre not really interested in religion, only in power while others were weak and only interested in staying alive and then there were a minority that actually were capable leaders of the church. I remember Pope Clement V from my history studies, he was the Pope who excommunicated Robert the Bruce, one of the very first Kings to be excommunicated. Admittedly, Bruce did murder someone in a Church, but it was John Comyn, a man who believed that Bruce's kingship was illegitimate, so there is that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 14:35:42 GMT
Reading The Popes by John Julius Norwich. A history of the Popes and the Papacy. When you look at them it is rather amazing how many degraded people have occupied the Popes seat. One actually turned the whole of his palace into a big brothel where he wandered around deciding which were the lucky girls for this day. Other wre not really interested in religion, only in power while others were weak and only interested in staying alive and then there were a minority that actually were capable leaders of the church. I remember Pope Clement V from my history studies, he was the Pope who excommunicated Robert the Bruce, one of the very first Kings to be excommunicated. Admittedly, Bruce did murder someone in a Church, but it was John Comyn, a man who believed that Bruce's kingship was illegitimate, so there is that. I know there were a bunch of french kings and german holy roman emperors before that. And i remember vaguely that John Lackland was excummunicated. But that was not for murder admittedly but for wrongful marriage and apointing bishops without the OK from the pope.
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Post by edwardjohn on Oct 7, 2020 14:43:52 GMT
I remember Pope Clement V from my history studies, he was the Pope who excommunicated Robert the Bruce, one of the very first Kings to be excommunicated. Admittedly, Bruce did murder someone in a Church, but it was John Comyn, a man who believed that Bruce's kingship was illegitimate, so there is that. I know there were a bunch of french kings and german holy roman emperors before that. And i remember vaguely that John Lackland was excummunicated. But that was not for murder admittedly but for wrongful marriage and apointing bishops without the OK from the pope. Do Holy Roman Emperors count? Where they not the "anti-Pope's" for while or something like that? I believe several Philip's in France were excommunicated. Robert the Bruce was metal though, how many other kings were excommunicated for murder? Bruce was a soldier first, King second. King Edward should have been excommunicated, in fact, most English Kings should have been excommunicated for invading their religious brethren of Scotland and France.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 16:38:50 GMT
I know there were a bunch of french kings and german holy roman emperors before that. And i remember vaguely that John Lackland was excummunicated. But that was not for murder admittedly but for wrongful marriage and apointing bishops without the OK from the pope. Do Holy Roman Emperors count? Where they not the "anti-Pope's" for while or something like that? I believe several Philip's in France were excommunicated. Robert the Bruce was metal though, how many other kings were excommunicated for murder? Bruce was a soldier first, King second. King Edward should have been excommunicated, in fact, most English Kings should have been excommunicated for invading their religious brethren of Scotland and France. Not quite. The battle was mainly that they wanted to appoint german bishops to the german seats and that it was the emperor that should do it in germany. Almost all the popes were italian and didn't like germans which the germans felt that a bishop ought to like his flock. The Pope refused. The so called investitur battle. Then the emperor tmade sure hat another pope was selected that was more germanfriendly and chosed better bishops. The so called Antipopes, they werent necessary german because their seat was in Rome. The Antipopes was the reason the popes got friendly with the Normans in siccily and their relatives in france before the invasion. To get swords to fight the germans. I dont know how many times Rome was captured by a foreign power because of this battle between popes and antipopes. Rome as a city certainly did not thrive from it.
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Post by edwardjohn on Oct 7, 2020 16:51:49 GMT
Do Holy Roman Emperors count? Where they not the "anti-Pope's" for while or something like that? I believe several Philip's in France were excommunicated. Robert the Bruce was metal though, how many other kings were excommunicated for murder? Bruce was a soldier first, King second. King Edward should have been excommunicated, in fact, most English Kings should have been excommunicated for invading their religious brethren of Scotland and France. Not quite. The battle was mainly that they wanted to appoint german bishops to the german seats and that it was the emperor that should do it in germany. Almost all the popes were italian and didn't like germans which the germans felt that a bishop ought to like his flock. The Pope refused. The so called investitur battle. Then the emperor tmade sure hat another pope was selected that was more germanfriendly and chosed better bishops. The so called Antipopes, they werent necessary german because their seat was in Rome. The Antipopes was the reason the popes got friendly with the Normans in siccily and their relatives in france before the invasion. To get swords to fight the germans. I dont know how many times Rome was captured by a foreign power because of this battle between popes and antipopes. Rome as a city certainly did not thrive from it. I did an essay on Charles IV, Holy Roman Emperor, the titles this guy had, King of Bohemia, King of the Romans, Holy Roman Emperor/King of Italy, I wonder how you would address the man?
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