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Post by Dizzy on May 19, 2021 15:20:28 GMT
That Many Characters in Stephen Kings Books Seem to Have "The Shining" or someting like it an not just in that Story either. I Can Name a few Right away. Eileen Creed from Pet Sematary an Leo Rockway AKA Joe from The Stand. Even One of the Bad Guys Seems to have it (Norman Daniels from Rose Madder) The List Go On an On tbh. Do you Guys Know what I mean?   |
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Post by Dizzy on May 22, 2021 18:43:16 GMT
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Post by darkharbinger on May 22, 2021 19:01:02 GMT
Yes, I have noticed this. There is almost someone in every SK book that has a bit of a psychic twinkle, that are a bit more intuitive than a regular person should be. On a writing level this makes it easier to progress the plot and its world building to some degree.
Now there are some stories that don't have this, but the shine shows up more often than not. You could almost say Mark or Ben from Salem's Lot had it first (I don't count what Carrie had as the Shine) before the Shinning was even written. They were more in tune to see the things in the Marsten house.
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Post by Dizzy on May 23, 2021 15:33:20 GMT
Thank You for The Reply darkharbinger I Appreciate it. You Right too about Mark an Ben. Also The Trash Can Man Seem to have it as well.
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Post by darkharbinger on May 23, 2021 21:21:45 GMT
Leo (joe) Rockway in the stand really had it. Even mother Abigail talked about the Shinning Lamp of God, or just the Shinning
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Post by Dizzy on May 25, 2021 14:27:33 GMT
Yea darkharbinger I Remember her saying that Now that you Mention it. He automatically Knoew that
Harold Lauder was up to no Good as well.
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Post by darkharbinger on May 26, 2021 21:21:26 GMT
and Leo knew the two people were going to have a baby
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Post by Dizzy on May 28, 2021 1:52:42 GMT
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Post by drawntokatet on Jun 10, 2021 19:16:49 GMT
The presence or absence of an ability; precog, telekinesis, clairvoyance, etc. The ability tends to bind a lot Uncle Steve's stories together.
Go then, there are other worlds than these. - How did Jake Chambers know? He had the Shine. Ted Braughtigan, Dinky Earnshaw, Sheemie. They all had the Shine. Susan the lovely girl in the window did not have the Shine. She was so vulnerable.
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Post by spideyman on Jun 11, 2021 12:21:53 GMT
The presence or absence of an ability; precog, telekinesis, clairvoyance, etc. The ability tends to bind a lot Uncle Steve's stories together.
Go then, there are other worlds than these. - How did Jake Chambers know? He had the Shine. Ted Braughtigan, Dinky Earnshaw, Sheemie. They all had the Shine. Susan the lovely girl in the window did not have the Shine. She was so vulnerable. |
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Post by drawntokatet on Jun 11, 2021 12:29:52 GMT
The presence or absence of an ability; precog, telekinesis, clairvoyance, etc. The ability tends to bind a lot Uncle Steve's stories together.
Go then, there are other worlds than these. - How did Jake Chambers know? He had the Shine. Ted Braughtigan, Dinky Earnshaw, Sheemie. They all had the Shine. Susan the lovely girl in the window did not have the Shine. She was so vulnerable. |
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Post by spideyman on Jun 11, 2021 14:42:00 GMT
Excellent observation. Research-- did more male characters have the shine, then female? 
Hope all has been well for you and family!! Love and green lights. |
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Post by wolf on Jun 12, 2021 22:28:45 GMT
CARRIE had a Shine as did Charlie in Firestarter. And the children in the Institute- plenty of girls had a Shine there. I think there are girls in The Breakers too. I can't say that Uncle Steve had a sexist application of The Shine and leaned more towards boys/men than girls/women. I think I just don't remember enough names to prove the theory one way or the other.
Hope all has been well for you and family!! Love and green lights.
But I also think maybe it's just one of those things the author could be writing from a character's point of view he could best identify with. Specifically a male character. Possibly.🙂
Let's think about this : Whenever our hero King Stephen has written about an author...it's usually been a male author. I think it's perfectly reasonable. The best writing always comes from writing 'what you know'.
(Sai Dalglish taught me that once upon a long ago, before I ever heard it from anywhere or anyone else. 🙂  )
Over all, just another something that I do not think authors should have to sweat or dodge bullets over....just like all of the speculating and frustration and nit picking over "just EXACTLY where the Green Mile was set". Many wanted to know if it WAS actually 'Lousisiana' or not. I think he just kept it generalized enough that the reader knew it was in and around that area. And it was 'nuff said.
No unnecessary, superfluous details to have to keep up with and waste time, ink and paper space on. 🙂
I know in most of my story writing I have caught myself writing villains as being mostly women, because of my past experiences. I've taken note of that and worked on being more diverse in that area....same thing with art in a way...right handed people tend to draw facial profiles facing the left, for it is more comfortable (and honestly easier) for them. Left handed artists tend to do the opposite because it is more comfortable them....I have tried to made my self be more conscious of what direction I had my characters facing and got out of my comfort zone more...so works would not all look so much the same in some ways. BUT most of the facial profiles I draw are still facing to the left hand side. I think that analogy might make a little sense.🙂 Nevermind! I'm just rambling now. lol, getting wild racing thoughts out of my head and off my chest and shoulders! 😆😉
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Post by wolf on Jun 18, 2021 21:55:21 GMT
Yes, I have noticed this. There is almost someone in every SK book that has a bit of a psychic twinkle, that are a bit more intuitive than a regular person should be. On a writing level this makes it easier to progress the plot and its world building to some degree. Now there are some stories that don't have this, but the shine shows up more often than not. You could almost say Mark or Ben from Salem's Lot had it first (I don't count what Carrie had as the Shine) before the Shinning was even written. They were more in tune to see the things in the Marsten house. The presence or absence of an ability; precog, telekinesis, clairvoyance, etc. The ability tends to bind a lot Uncle Steve's stories together.
Go then, there are other worlds than these. - How did Jake Chambers know? He had the Shine. Ted Braughtigan, Dinky Earnshaw, Sheemie. They all had the Shine. Susan the lovely girl in the window did not have the Shine. She was so vulnerable.
....BUT I am always open to changing my mind about that.
Maybe "the shine" is a something (a term) that many powerful abilities
(in SK's mind and his various worlds)
are called, or referred to, in a loose slang sort of way.
I have always imagined that "Breakers" was a term that referred to and covered MANY different gifted individuals.
(mmm...but just about everyone knows how strange my imagination is.😄😉)
Though telepaths seemed to be the most desirable and sought out, to be Breakers.
Maybe I have misread or misremembered some things.🙂
(I wish that I have had read everything by SK, and done all the rereading that our good JB has. Alas...so many hours in the day, and so much to fill them fully to the brim. 😊😉)
I have always tended to look at "Telepaths, telekinetics, pyrokinetics, pre-cogs....etc..." as ALL being "Breakers" (some more useful than others.... EX: "Charlie as compared to Trashy")
People with extraordinary, extrasensory abilities....some more powerful than others.
What do you guys think?
And Deviancy ?
You have any thoughts on this subject, Dev?
If you do, I am sure they are very interesting bud . |
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Post by wolf on Jun 18, 2021 22:57:20 GMT
Yes, I have noticed this. There is almost someone in every SK book that has a bit of a psychic twinkle, that are a bit more intuitive than a regular person should be. On a writing level this makes it easier to progress the plot and its world building to some degree. Now there are some stories that don't have this, but the shine shows up more often than not. You could almost say Mark or Ben from Salem's Lot had it first (I don't count what Carrie had as the Shine) before the Shinning was even written. They were more in tune to see the things in the Marsten house. The presence or absence of an ability; precog, telekinesis, clairvoyance, etc. The ability tends to bind a lot Uncle Steve's stories together.
Go then, there are other worlds than these. - How did Jake Chambers know? He had the Shine. Ted Braughtigan, Dinky Earnshaw, Sheemie. They all had the Shine. Susan the lovely girl in the window did not have the Shine. She was so vulnerable.
....BUT I am always open to changing my mind about that.
Maybe "the shine" is a something (a term) that many powerful abilities
(in SK's mind and his various worlds)
are called, or referred to, in a loose slang sort of way.
I have always imagined that "Breakers" was a term that referred to and covered MANY different gifted individuals.
(mmm...but just about everyone knows how strange my imagination is.😄😉)
Though telepaths seemed to be the most desirable and sought out, to be Breakers.
Maybe I have misread or misremembered some things.🙂
(I wish that I have had read everything by SK, and done all the rereading that our good JB has. Alas...so many hours in the day, and so much to fill them fully to the brim. 😊😉)
I have always tended to look at "Telepaths, telekinetics, pyrokinetics, pre-cogs....etc..." as ALL being "Breakers" (some more useful than others.... EX: "Charlie as compared to Trashy")
People with extraordinary, extrasensory abilities....some more powerful than others.
What do you guys think?
And Deviancy ?
You have any thoughts on this subject, Dev?
If you do, I am sure they are very interesting bud .
This is another really cool thread of your making!
What do YOU think about "The Shine" and "The Breakers"?
Any thoughts, lil Sis? 🙂 olfEOEbpO0rxuamBULVg |
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Post by Dizzy on Jun 19, 2021 0:21:40 GMT
Thank You for The Kind Words wolf . As For Me i Dont Really Know What You Mean by Breakers but i Guessing it Means Prople With Special Abilities in There Brains?
I Think Your Right About The Shine Meaning Telepathy it Isa Probably Like A Short Word for it or Maybe a Nickname. Just Like in The Movie "Push" Where They Have Alotta Nick Names for the Abilities I Cant Remember them though but i Think the Shine or Shining is Like that just imo.
I Love Those Kinda Stories tbh i Have Ever Since i was a Little Girl Reading The X-Men Comics too an Such. Ima Big Fan of Fire Starter an Carrie by Stephen King Because thats What They are About.
I Sometimes Get Jealous of Them Though too just Wishing So Bad it was Me With the Powerrs too ngl. Reading Stories about it The Next Best Ting though an Long as People Make Them i Will always Be a Fan.
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Post by Deviancy on Jun 19, 2021 2:47:10 GMT
You have any thoughts on this subject, Dev? Carrie had hardcore telekinetic powers with minor pyrokinetic powers, Danny had very strong telepathic powers but tainted them with booze and drugs, Charlie is an extremely powerful pyrokinetic and showed signs of telepathic and telekinetic powers, I mean Andy got that phone to drop the change, that wasn't telepathic, that only works on the mind, that was telekinetic, and Charlie seemed to have gotten some of his power as well, and then there's Abra, total powerful telepathic and telkinetic, and Rose, she was able to do telepathic powers from a long, long range, which she probably developed as she fed on the Shine. I'm leaving a few out but I think Charlie's parents had the powers already but were latent, the serum merely awoke them, and agency knew that which is why they were under lock and key. King has a thing for psychic powers, the question is, does he plan on making them all turn out to have had the shine, or have the shine? Its possible... Or he just watched That's Incredible way too much in the 70's and 80's, they always had stories about people who allegedly had real psychic powers, they all turned to be frauds but that's besides the point. And if he does link them all, will it come an alien force that visited many, many eons ago, I mean Pennywise was an alien and he had psychic powers, so could others of his kind have been here before him and procreated with humans? I don't know King well enough to know if he just has an obsession with psychic powers or a really smart end game. Imagine if they are linked to the Shine and imagine Charlie and Abra taking out the True Knot in a future film. Sure, Rose is dead but there had to be more of them, Rose and her peeps seemed to just be a part of a bigger menace. Anywho, CHarlie will always be my favorite but Abra has a lot of potential depending if King ever brings her back. |
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Post by Deviancy on Jun 20, 2021 2:44:18 GMT
I forgot Johnny.
A coma causing him to become a precog? It seems more logical that the power was dormant and the coma merely awoke the power which is why it came on so strong and why he got the headaches, he never had time to age as the power developed, it was at full power when he awoke, and Andy got headaches as well, there's a connection there. That's one psychic power I would NOT want to have, because most of the time, there'd be nothing to do about seeing negative future outcomes. That's why the precogs in Minority Report were happy being far, far away from the rest of society on that little island at the end, they couldn't see anyone's future. Johnny was kind of in a very small town but that small town had an evil politician, and a serial killer, and right after the coma he gets shot by the killers mom, only then to get shot again by Stilson's body guard, and on top all of it, his woman is with another man and has a child. Walken was the ideal choice, he sells gloomy very well, and Johnny had a reason to be gloomy.
I hope King does have an end game because I hate to say it, the more I think about it, way too many characters have psychic powers in his stories, there really needs to be a connection made otherwise it just looks like relies on it as a crutch instead. Salem's Lot even has psychic powers involved, partially.
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Post by wolf on Jun 21, 2021 22:49:11 GMT
You have any thoughts on this subject, Dev? Carrie had hardcore telekinetic powers with minor pyrokinetic powers, Danny had very strong telepathic powers but tainted them with booze and drugs, Charlie is an extremely powerful pyrokinetic and showed signs of telepathic and telekinetic powers, I mean Andy got that phone to drop the change, that wasn't telepathic, that only works on the mind, that was telekinetic, and Charlie seemed to have gotten some of his power as well, and then there's Abra, total powerful telepathic and telkinetic, and Rose, she was able to do telepathic powers from a long, long range, which she probably developed as she fed on the Shine. I'm leaving a few out but I think Charlie's parents had the powers already but were latent, the serum merely awoke them, and agency knew that which is why they were under lock and key. King has a thing for psychic powers, the question is, does he plan on making them all turn out to have had the shine, or have the shine? Its possible... Or he just watched That's Incredible way too much in the 70's and 80's, they always had stories about people who allegedly had real psychic powers, they all turned to be frauds but that's besides the point. And if he does link them all, will it come an alien force that visited many, many eons ago, I mean Pennywise was an alien and he had psychic powers, so could others of his kind have been here before him and procreated with humans? I don't know King well enough to know if he just has an obsession with psychic powers or a really smart end game. Imagine if they are linked to the Shine and imagine Charlie and Abra taking out the True Knot in a future film. Sure, Rose is dead but there had to be more of them, Rose and her peeps seemed to just be a part of a bigger menace. Anywho, CHarlie will always be my favorite but Abra has a lot of potential depending if King ever brings her back.
...but still, I'm wondering if you (or anyone else) has an opinion or thought on if the Shine is THE 'Breaker' gift/ability or not,
and are ALL of the extraordinary supernatural/ extrasensory abilities(powers).... 'Breaker abilities'?
......and are they ALL considered to be 'The Shine'...... or not.
And yeah Dizzy ,
it is all reminiscent of the story in the movie "Push". 🙂
I really like that flick, Sis!
Good mention. 🙂
When I have more time, maybe, we'll bring it to that 'movies and books discussions' thread.
(or another flick thread somewhere....
I like everything that all have brought to the 'movie and books' thing,
I just haven't had time to comment on every movie/story/novel mentioned there. 🙂)
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Post by Deviancy on Jun 22, 2021 2:43:25 GMT
...but still, I'm wondering if you (or anyone else) has an opinion or thought on if the Shine is THE 'Breaker' gift/ability or not,
and are ALL of the extraordinary supernatural/ extrasensory abilities(powers).... 'Breaker abilities'?
......and are they ALL considered to be 'The Shine'...... or not.[/quote] In short, I think there's a connection, I mean they all have psychic powers, but I'm not all that familiar with the Dark Tower stuff, but what I do know, seems there's a link. |
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