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Post by Wicked Esther on Jul 6, 2020 19:14:47 GMT
Well....I kid, but deep down I love Paul and Gene. Kiss never would have made it without them. Tommy Thayer is probably a great guy--I just wish he didn't have to make a living imitating Ace Frehley. And it's pretty much the same with Eric Singer. We know from his time with Alice that he's capable of more than Kiss will allow him to do. Yes... I'd watch it! It would be kinda like "Rock Star" but with makeup and platform boots, right?! |
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Post by Wicked Esther on Jul 6, 2020 19:15:48 GMT
Bruce is probably mourning the death of Bob, still. Poor Bruce...I always liked that guy. "He's Radioactive (radioactive)..."   Yes on both counts! And probably the most genuine, humble human being to ever be a member of Kiss. |
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Post by His Majesty on Jul 6, 2020 22:20:27 GMT
I'm getting from your descriptions of Paul and Gene that you are not a fan of current KISS? No. I am not. In the least bit. OG KISS is the lineup I grew up with and choose to follow. God love 'em for continuing to rake in money to pay for Paul's divorce from years ago, but I said farewell to them during the, well, farewell tour in 2001. That, plus how Gene and Paul just have this nasty tendency to insult former members every chance they get is why they don't get any more money from me. But more power to those who love them still. |
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Post by edwardjohn on Jul 6, 2020 22:30:13 GMT
I'm getting from your descriptions of Paul and Gene that you are not a fan of current KISS? No. I am not. In the least bit. OG KISS is the lineup I grew up with and choose to follow. God love 'em for continuing to rake in money to pay for Paul's divorce from years ago, but I said farewell to them during the, well, farewell tour in 2001. That, plus how Gene and Paul just have this nasty tendency to insult former members every chance they get is why they don't get any more money from me. But more power to those who love them still. |
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Post by His Majesty on Jul 7, 2020 13:55:12 GMT
No. I am not. In the least bit. OG KISS is the lineup I grew up with and choose to follow. God love 'em for continuing to rake in money to pay for Paul's divorce from years ago, but I said farewell to them during the, well, farewell tour in 2001. That, plus how Gene and Paul just have this nasty tendency to insult former members every chance they get is why they don't get any more money from me. But more power to those who love them still. Once concerts resume again, with more superior bands like Rob Zombie, Marilyn Manson, Mushroomhead, In This Moment, Pretty Reckless, Butcher Babies out there, I'm thinkin' nah.  |
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Post by His Majesty on Jul 7, 2020 15:43:56 GMT
No. I am not. In the least bit. OG KISS is the lineup I grew up with and choose to follow. God love 'em for continuing to rake in money to pay for Paul's divorce from years ago, but I said farewell to them during the, well, farewell tour in 2001. That, plus how Gene and Paul just have this nasty tendency to insult former members every chance they get is why they don't get any more money from me. But more power to those who love them still. I mean, I've seen KISS 7 times, and in all cases, it was the original band. The last I saw them was in my home town in July of 2000. It was a fitting farewell. They were all still relatively young and energetic. Once that incarnation of KISS broke up, I completely lost interest. They became a tribute act, parading other people around in makeup they didn't create. |
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Post by edwardjohn on Jul 7, 2020 16:32:08 GMT
So ... you won't be checking out any of the shows on The End of the Road Tour? I mean, I've seen KISS 7 times, and in all cases, it was the original band. The last I saw them was in my home town in July of 2000. It was a fitting farewell. They were all still relatively young and energetic. Once that incarnation of KISS broke up, I completely lost interest. They became a tribute act, parading other people around in makeup they didn't create. |
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Post by Wicked Esther on Jul 7, 2020 16:44:00 GMT
I think the characters are a blessing and a curse,all at once.
Paul used the ridiculous example of “ giraffe boy” years ago when he was explaining why he thought adding new characters wouldn’t work....and I gotta say I agree with him.
Eric Carr,as the fox,was great. I didn’t know a whole lot of Kiss fans in 1980, but my brother,my cousins and I all welcomed the addition of a new band member as well as his character.
Vinnie Vincent,as the Wiz with his Egyptianish thing going on....well...that was questionable. I was a little older by then and didn’t accept the changes as easily. As it turns out, we didn’t have to put up with the ankh for long anyway.
I have mixed feelings about whether any new characters should have been added after the reunion and Farewell tour. I understand why they’re using the original designs, but it also feels like a cheap, lazy way to rip off their own past.
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Post by His Majesty on Jul 7, 2020 17:58:37 GMT
I mean, I've seen KISS 7 times, and in all cases, it was the original band. The last I saw them was in my home town in July of 2000. It was a fitting farewell. They were all still relatively young and energetic. Once that incarnation of KISS broke up, I completely lost interest. They became a tribute act, parading other people around in makeup they didn't create.
To me the farewell WAS sacred. I saw the boys one last time in my hometown (where I saw them for the first time). It was an emotional "full circle" moment. I didn't care if they continued on beyond that tour. Knowing Gene and Paul, they would, and they did. What I expected was a return to Bruce and Eric S. not The Blue Man Group where they slap the makeup on just anyone. I get why they did it (money) but to some integrity is more important than an excuse to release KISS branded toilet paper and Hello Kitty Dolls.
The reunion, from the get go in 1996, was set for a five year run. It was contracted that way. They knew the end game before Ace got out of control again. Peter, God bless him, was not a drunk or druggie during the reunion. His issues were Carpal Tunnel syndrome and maybe a bad attitude, but he was not the wasteoid Gene would like you to believe. He was as sober as can be, so Gene's interviews were baseless and slanderous, a calculated bash on the drummer that helped get him to where he is now.
I agree that leaving KISS was the best thing for Ace, for his own health and sanity. From what I understand, Gene and Paul are quite difficult to work with in their own way. Ace is free to be himself, and thankfully, it's not in a drug induced stupor.
I noticed you said Gene's voice is still brilliant, but nothing about Paul. We all know that Paul should have quit while he was ahead. It's sad to see a rock icon screeching and creaking like a cat stuck in a blender. By the time Covid is over, they will be in their 80's. They need to call it a career and live off the income from shilling KISS suppositories and KISS Jock Itch cream.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jul 7, 2020 18:07:19 GMT
I get what you are saying, but KISS fans seem to think of the "Farewell" tour as being as this hallowed thing. People forget just how sloppy Ace was, he was drinking again, he would forget solo's etc. Peter was the same, he would mess up drum parts and the like, also drinking. Paul and Gene had their issues as well, that is a fact. But there was a reason why Paul wanted it to end, and I doubt it had anything to do with money, if it was to do with money then he would have kept Bruce and Eric (Singer and Carr) in the band, as they certainly would not have been getting paid the same as Gene or Paul. Paul wanted it to end because he was fed up with how destructive Peter and Ace's drinking and performances were. Footage from that farewell tour is an example of that. If it was me then I would have given Tommy and Eric their own characters, that is my problem with the current band, but I get it from a nostalgia perspective. Say what you will about Paul, but Gene's voice is still brilliant, and they do a great show. It was a good thing that Ace and Peter left KISS, for themselves, it got them sober.
To me the farewell WAS sacred. I saw the boys one last time in my hometown (where I saw them for the first time). It was an emotional "full circle" moment. I didn't care if they continued on beyond that tour. Knowing Gene and Paul, they would, and they did. What I expected was a return to Bruce and Eric S. not The Blue Man Group where they slap the makeup on just anyone. I get why they did it (money) but to some integrity is more important than an excuse to release KISS branded toilet paper and Hello Kitty Dolls.
The reunion, from the get go in 1996, was set for a five year run. It was contracted that way. They knew the end game before Ace got out of control again. Peter, God bless him, was not a drunk or druggie during the reunion. His issues were Carpal Tunnel syndrome and maybe a bad attitude, but he was not the wasteoid Gene would like you to believe. He was as sober as can be, so Gene's interviews were baseless and slanderous, a calculated bash on the drummer that helped get him to where he is now.
I agree that leaving KISS was the best thing for Ace, for his own health and sanity. From what I understand, Gene and Paul are quite difficult to work with in their own way. Ace is free to be himself, and thankfully, it's not in a drug induced stupor.
I noticed you said Gene's voice is still brilliant, but nothing about Paul. We all know that Paul should have quit while he was ahead. It's sad to see a rock icon screeching and creaking like a cat stuck in a blender. By the time Covid is over, they will be in their 80's. They need to call it a career and live off the income from shilling KISS suppositories and KISS Jock Itch cream.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jul 7, 2020 18:12:09 GMT
I think the characters are a blessing and a curse,all at once. Paul used the ridiculous example of “ giraffe boy” years ago when he was explaining why he thought adding new characters wouldn’t work....and I gotta say I agree with him. Eric Carr,as the fox,was great. I didn’t know a whole lot of Kiss fans in 1980, but my brother,my cousins and I all welcomed the addition of a new band member as well as his character. Vinnie Vincent,as the Wiz with his Egyptianish thing going on....well...that was questionable. I was a little older by then and didn’t accept the changes as easily. As it turns out, we didn’t have to put up with the ankh for long anyway. I have mixed feelings about whether any new characters should have been added after the reunion and Farewell tour. I understand why they’re using the original designs, but it also feels like a cheap, lazy way to rip off their own past. |
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Post by edwardjohn on Jul 7, 2020 18:12:58 GMT
His Majesty
What did you think of Mark St John era album, Animalize?
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Post by Wicked Esther on Jul 7, 2020 18:44:06 GMT
I think the characters are a blessing and a curse,all at once. Paul used the ridiculous example of “ giraffe boy” years ago when he was explaining why he thought adding new characters wouldn’t work....and I gotta say I agree with him. Eric Carr,as the fox,was great. I didn’t know a whole lot of Kiss fans in 1980, but my brother,my cousins and I all welcomed the addition of a new band member as well as his character. Vinnie Vincent,as the Wiz with his Egyptianish thing going on....well...that was questionable. I was a little older by then and didn’t accept the changes as easily. As it turns out, we didn’t have to put up with the ankh for long anyway. I have mixed feelings about whether any new characters should have been added after the reunion and Farewell tour. I understand why they’re using the original designs, but it also feels like a cheap, lazy way to rip off their own past. 😄 Yes! SOoooo many things this band has done have been downright stupid and yet they’ve done it all anyway.They’ve definitely made some questionable decisions, which might be why I relate to them and love them so much. ❤️ I got into Kiss when I was 9 and it was 100% because of the image. I didn’t know any of their songs, but everywhere I went,I saw posters of Gene Simmons with blood all over his face and chest and I thought, “I don’t know who this maniac is, but for some sick reason,I love him.🤔” I got Destroyer shortly after it was released and have been hooked ever since. So while it may not have been the first thing to grab my attention, the music means a lot to me and has kept me interested for most of my life. I agree with a lot of the points in your post. Vinnie was a very good song writer. I’ve seen Kiss 34 times in concert, twice when Vinnie was in the band. He was actually quite entertaining on stage. I think he’s got some mental health issues, but yeah....the guy can write some good lyrics and I do love his contributions to Revenge. I don’t care how dumb it is, “ I just wanna Fuh!” is a line that puts a smile on my face.😁 I can’t get into Monster or SB....people tell me there are good songs on both albums, but apart from Modern Day Delilah, none of ‘em grab me. It’s awesome to find people here who are willing to talk about Kiss. I wasn’t expecting this level of interest. It’s a very nice surprise.😎 |
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Post by His Majesty on Jul 7, 2020 19:04:03 GMT
I think the thing to realize is that KISS is KISS. What I mean is that I know Ace is sloppy, lazy and unreliable. He always has been. That's part of their charm. I've been a Motley Crue fan since the beginning and am painfully aware Vince has NEVER sang good, but that only made me like the band even more. If I wanted perfection, there's always Pink Floyd. LOL
To me the farewell WAS sacred. I saw the boys one last time in my hometown (where I saw them for the first time). It was an emotional "full circle" moment. I didn't care if they continued on beyond that tour. Knowing Gene and Paul, they would, and they did. What I expected was a return to Bruce and Eric S. not The Blue Man Group where they slap the makeup on just anyone. I get why they did it (money) but to some integrity is more important than an excuse to release KISS branded toilet paper and Hello Kitty Dolls.
The reunion, from the get go in 1996, was set for a five year run. It was contracted that way. They knew the end game before Ace got out of control again. Peter, God bless him, was not a drunk or druggie during the reunion. His issues were Carpal Tunnel syndrome and maybe a bad attitude, but he was not the wasteoid Gene would like you to believe. He was as sober as can be, so Gene's interviews were baseless and slanderous, a calculated bash on the drummer that helped get him to where he is now.
I agree that leaving KISS was the best thing for Ace, for his own health and sanity. From what I understand, Gene and Paul are quite difficult to work with in their own way. Ace is free to be himself, and thankfully, it's not in a drug induced stupor.
I noticed you said Gene's voice is still brilliant, but nothing about Paul. We all know that Paul should have quit while he was ahead. It's sad to see a rock icon screeching and creaking like a cat stuck in a blender. By the time Covid is over, they will be in their 80's. They need to call it a career and live off the income from shilling KISS suppositories and KISS Jock Itch cream.
I saw him a few years ago at a club, and while not a total $hit show, his was the loudest show I've ever been to. He had those amps cranked up to dangerously uncomfortable levels. I understand he may be going deaf, which would explain the amps, but to make the audience deaf too is uncool. |
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Post by His Majesty on Jul 7, 2020 19:05:53 GMT
I think the characters are a blessing and a curse,all at once. Paul used the ridiculous example of “ giraffe boy” years ago when he was explaining why he thought adding new characters wouldn’t work....and I gotta say I agree with him. Eric Carr,as the fox,was great. I didn’t know a whole lot of Kiss fans in 1980, but my brother,my cousins and I all welcomed the addition of a new band member as well as his character. Vinnie Vincent,as the Wiz with his Egyptianish thing going on....well...that was questionable. I was a little older by then and didn’t accept the changes as easily. As it turns out, we didn’t have to put up with the ankh for long anyway. I have mixed feelings about whether any new characters should have been added after the reunion and Farewell tour. I understand why they’re using the original designs, but it also feels like a cheap, lazy way to rip off their own past.  |
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Post by His Majesty on Jul 7, 2020 19:21:51 GMT
His Majesty
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Post by Wicked Esther on Jul 7, 2020 21:32:36 GMT
Speaking of old Kiss drummers, Peter Criss posted a video of himself singing along to Don't You Let Me Down from his 1978 solo album. His Majesty, I didn't know if you saw this on KissFAQ. The old guy is still chewing his gum and doing his funny gestures and expressions. |
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Post by His Majesty on Jul 7, 2020 21:42:37 GMT
Speaking of old Kiss drummers, Peter Criss posted a video of himself singing along to Don't You Let Me Down from his 1978 solo album. His Majesty , I didn't know if you saw this on KissFAQ. The old guy is still chewing his gum and doing his funny gestures and expressions. I actually just saw this on Blabbermouth. Cool stuff! |
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Post by neesy on Jul 14, 2020 15:22:44 GMT
I like the one with all the makeup on
Just kidding! I do like Kiss - I like their soft song Beth a lot too
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Post by Wicked Esther on Jul 14, 2020 15:29:04 GMT
I like the one with all the makeup on
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