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Post by GeorgieFan2003 on Dec 6, 2020 21:08:50 GMT
I saw IT Chapter Two in the theater twice. The second time was because I got a free pass. While I'm glad I got to see the movie on the big screen, I wish we got a better movie. I think it is still a good movie, but the first one was far superior.
My biggest problem with the movie was the lack of Georgie. I never thought he was ever going to have a bigger role than he did in the first half. But I still expected a lot more than what we got when Jackson wasn't confirmed till after the teaser trailer was released. I wanted to see that he was still a major motivation for Bill as an adult. But it was after an hour and 20 some odd minutes before Georgie is even mentioned. Even Richie remembered Georgie's murder in the book, but yet Georgie's own brother barely mentions him at all.
I also wasn't a fan of them making it that Bill faked being sick. It came out of left field, and it felt tacked on.
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Post by Deviancy on Jan 17, 2021 3:55:55 GMT
I also wasn't a fan of them making it that Bill faked being sick. It came out of left field, and it felt tacked on. I felt the opposite, he always seemed to have some level of guilt over Georgie's death, and the fact he faked being sick, he should have had that guilt. The actor didn't hurt things, far better Bill than the 1990 version. But regardless, I like both chapters the same amount. One thing I liked about Chapter 2, they didn't change all that much which was realistic. People are always like, "teenagers are just teenagers, they'll grow up and be different as adults". A decent teen usually grows up to be a decent adult, an a**h*le teen, they're usually still A**hole*. My old dean used to say high school was just an artificial world and when I became an adult I'd be in the real world where people aren't bullies, etc, and so on, that's bs. We have a soon to be former President who was a bully as a teenager and is still a bully as a senior citizen. |
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Post by Deviancy on Jan 17, 2021 4:15:28 GMT
Did I mention there's a Stephen King Facebook group, they did a whole run down of picking the best King novels until it came down just two. Its now down to the Stand Vs. IT and I swore IT would dominate, but Stand has twice the amount of votes, I guess I'm missing out on something. I read half the book and never finished, watched the original mini series and it was ok but the new one looks more promising.
So IT isn't King's crown jewel, despite the popularity of the films and all the mass merch, the Stand appears to be the gem, despite no mass merch.
Go figure...
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Post by annamarie on Jan 29, 2021 14:16:35 GMT
Did I mention there's a Stephen King Facebook group, they did a whole run down of picking the best King novels until it came down just two. Its now down to the Stand Vs. IT and I swore IT would dominate, but Stand has twice the amount of votes, I guess I'm missing out on something. I read half the book and never finished, watched the original mini series and it was ok but the new one looks more promising. So IT isn't King's crown jewel, despite the popularity of the films and all the mass merch, the Stand appears to be the gem, despite no mass merch. Go figure... |
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Post by GeorgieFan2003 on Jan 29, 2021 21:10:51 GMT
I also wasn't a fan of them making it that Bill faked being sick. It came out of left field, and it felt tacked on. I felt the opposite, he always seemed to have some level of guilt over Georgie's death, and the fact he faked being sick, he should have had that guilt. The actor didn't hurt things, far better Bill than the 1990 version. I still disagree with how it was handled. I think Bill feeling guilty about being sick and not being there to save him gave him enough "guilt" without adding something that wasn't in the book or even hinted at at all. |
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Post by Deviancy on Jan 29, 2021 22:34:18 GMT
I still disagree with how it was handled. I think Bill feeling guilty about being sick and not being there to save him gave him enough "guilt" without adding something that wasn't in the book or even hinted at at all. Well we all have different feelings about things. I personally wouldn't have felt guilty about his death if I wasn't there because I was actually sick, but if I was faking being sick, then I would feel guilt. So I preferred the angle they went with, and the era's they went with. But if all films based on novels were 100% like the novels, it would be kind of boring since everything would be easy to predict, so some tweaks are fine. |
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Post by GeorgieFan2003 on Jan 30, 2021 1:21:54 GMT
I still disagree with how it was handled. I think Bill feeling guilty about being sick and not being there to save him gave him enough "guilt" without adding something that wasn't in the book or even hinted at at all. Well we all have different feelings about things. I personally wouldn't have felt guilty about his death if I wasn't there because I was actually sick, but if I was faking being sick, then I would feel guilt. So I preferred the angle they went with, and the era's they went with. But if all films based on novels were 100% like the novels, it would be kind of boring since everything would be easy to predict, so some tweaks are fine. I'm fine with most of the tweaks to the story. The only thing I think the mini-series did better than both films is Tim Curry cause you just can't beat Tim Curry's Pennywise. I also didn't like the fact that Georgie was barely mentioned. Grant it, yes I never expected Georgie to have a major role, but he was still a major theme even with Bill as an adult. With them making it that Bill didn't know Georgie was dead till the end, he still should have been out to avenge Georgie's murder, but he's barely mentioned. Sorry if I offended. |
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Post by Deviancy on Jan 30, 2021 3:40:11 GMT
I'm fine with most of the tweaks to the story. The only thing I think the mini-series did better than both films is Tim Curry cause you just can't beat Tim Curry's Pennywise. A little more Georgie isn't something I would have had an issue with, could have actually been fun, but it just didn't hurt the second half in my opinion because they didn't go that route. I never understood why Georgie's parents let him wander around alone in the film, I guess they expected Bill to look after him and Bill knew which played into his guilt. Curry was a better actor but he was crippled in the 1990 film by FCC and other major network regulations, sadly. But I do still think his character in Rocky Horror is totally overrated, that film was lame as hell. I went to one of the "live shows" in Pasadena, talk about cornball sh*t. I just never understood the cult following that film had but like I said earlier, we all have different opinions/taste on things. |
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Post by GeorgieFan2003 on Jan 31, 2021 6:48:02 GMT
I'm fine with most of the tweaks to the story. The only thing I think the mini-series did better than both films is Tim Curry cause you just can't beat Tim Curry's Pennywise. A little more Georgie isn't something I would have had an issue with, could have actually been fun, but it just didn't hurt the second half in my opinion because they didn't go that route. I never understood why Georgie's parents let him wander around alone in the film, I guess they expected Bill to look after him and Bill knew which played into his guilt. Curry was a better actor but he was crippled in the 1990 film by FCC and other major network regulations, sadly. But I do still think his character in Rocky Horror is totally overrated, that film was lame as hell. I went to one of the "live shows" in Pasadena, talk about cornball shiet. I just never understood the cult following that film had but like I said earlier, we all have different opinions/taste on things. I think the inattentiveness of the parents and townspeople is more to do with IT's influence than anything else. I haven't read the book fully, but there were videos I watched about some of the different characters. I think I remember for Bill and Georgie that it was described that before Georgie was killed, Zack and Sharon were loving parents to both Georgie and Bill. I hope its ok that Georgie is my favorite character in the new movie. |
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Post by Deviancy on Jan 31, 2021 19:18:37 GMT
I hope its ok that Georgie is my favorite character in the new movie. I don't see why anyone would think it isn't ok. My favorite character is Pennywise but when it came to the humans, I'd have to go with Richie over Bill, even though Bill was the lead, Wolf Finhard and Hader both were great. Bill comes in next though, but I prefer the adult version, McAvoy is just a great actor, and a great Professor Xavier as well. And I am quoting your posts but the text just never appears, this site is cool and all but the quoting system is a bit iffy unless I quote the entire post. Maybe if I use the BBCode option instead... Yeah, that totally makes it easier... and fixes things. |
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Post by GeorgieFan2003 on Feb 1, 2021 0:51:31 GMT
I hope its ok that Georgie is my favorite character in the new movie. I don't see why anyone would think it isn't ok. My favorite character is Pennywise but when it came to the humans, I'd have to go with Richie over Bill, even though Bill was the lead, Wolf Finhard and Hader both were great. Bill comes in next though, but I prefer the adult version, McAvoy is just a great actor, and a great Professor Xavier as well. And I am quoting your posts but the text just never appears, this site is cool and all but the quoting system is a bit iffy unless I quote the entire post. Maybe if I use the BBCode option instead... Yeah, that totally makes it easier... and fixes things. One feature I miss from the old SK forums is the multi-quote option. |
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Post by Deviancy on Feb 1, 2021 3:23:09 GMT
One feature I miss from the old SK forums is the multi-quote option. The quote system on this site is a little buggy, at least on Chrome, but I am using an older version because the newer versions have too much unnecessary crap, and it can't be deleted. May switch to Edge soon since they finally released a version for Windows 7, just been too lazy. |
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Post by GeorgieFan2003 on Feb 4, 2021 1:41:48 GMT
I hope its ok that Georgie is my favorite character in the new movie. I don't see why anyone would think it isn't ok. My favorite character is Pennywise but when it came to the humans, I'd have to go with Richie over Bill, even though Bill was the lead, Wolf Finhard and Hader both were great. Bill comes in next though, but I prefer the adult version, McAvoy is just a great actor, and a great Professor Xavier as well. And I am quoting your posts but the text just never appears, this site is cool and all but the quoting system is a bit iffy unless I quote the entire post. Maybe if I use the BBCode option instead... Yeah, that totally makes it easier... and fixes things. Bill was my favorite character from the mini-series, mainly because like him I stutter as well. I didn't hate Georgie in the miniseries, but I wasn't as endeared to the character like I ended up being with Chapter One. Maybe that had alot to do with how they told the story with Chapter One. Plus I was just amazed with how good of an actor Jackson was in IT only being seven years old when they filmed it. That little smirk he has on his face in the You'll Float too still freaks me out to this day: http://instagram.com/p/BZEbJy6Fw13 |
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Post by Deviancy on Feb 4, 2021 3:30:40 GMT
Bill was my favorite character from the mini-series, mainly because like him I stutter as well. I didn't mind the kid who played Bill in the 1990 version but I couldn't stand the adult Bill in that version. Richard Thomas played the adult Bill in that version, I never liked him. He was a regular on the Waltons and I loathed that show and the entire cast, and he wasn't great in anything else really. I think he was ok in an episode of Law and Order or one of those shows since he played a bad guy, but everything else, bleh. McAvoy is bar more talented and I felt he did a better job with the stuttering, I liked the scene where he goes into the pawn shop and King is the owner, and Bill gets so frustrated with his stutter he just starts to swear, and King's character is all old fashioned, even though it's like 2019 at the time the F word is no longer really even a big deal, but yet King is like, "if you're going to talk like that, leave my shop". But it was Derry and despite all the years that passed, a lot of the people in the town seemed trapped in the past. As for relating to characters, I can kind of relate to Richie, I guess despite the fact I can't relate to the stuttering, Bill is the easiest to relate to because he's not a bad a*s but he is persistent and stubborn, which I can relate to. I don't remember that much from the 1990 version, its been over 30 years since I've seen it. ABC may have re-broadcast it once or twice but they really rarely bothered re-broadcasting their mini's, and then they pretty much stopped doing movies and just got hooked on sitcoms and cop shows and now its sitcoms and reality shows. In the old days, CBS would be showing the new version of the Stand, but they don't have the time for it because they get higher ratings off of their bad cop shows and sh***y reality shows, so they tossed on CBS Acess instead since ratings don't matter on streaming apps. Mistake in my opinion but such is life. |
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Post by GeorgieFan2003 on Feb 4, 2021 3:49:59 GMT
Bill was my favorite character from the mini-series, mainly because like him I stutter as well. I didn't mind the kid who played Bill in the 1990 version but I couldn't stand the adult Bill in that version. Richard Thomas played the adult Bill in that version, I never liked him. He was a regular on the Waltons and I loathed that show and the entire cast, and he wasn't great in anything else really. I think he was ok in an episode of Law and Order or one of those shows since he played a bad guy, but everything else, bleh. McAvoy is bar more talented and I felt he did a better job with the stuttering, I liked the scene where he goes into the pawn shop and King is the owner, and Bill gets so frustrated with his stutter he just starts to swear, and King's character is all old fashioned, even though it's like 2019 at the time the F word is no longer really even a big deal, but yet King is like, "if you're going to talk like that, leave my shop". But it was Derry and despite all the years that passed, a lot of the people in the town seemed trapped in the past. As for relating to characters, I can kind of relate to Richie, I guess despite the fact I can't relate to the stuttering, Bill is the easiest to relate to because he's not a bad a§§ but he is persistent and stubborn, which I can relate to. I don't remember that much from the 1990 version, its been over 30 years since I've seen it. ABC may have re-broadcast it once or twice but they really rarely bothered re-broadcasting their mini's, and then they pretty much stopped doing movies and just got hooked on sitcoms and cop shows and now its sitcoms and reality shows. In the old days, CBS would be showing the new version of the Stand, but they don't have the time for it because they get higher ratings off of their bad cop shows and sh***y reality shows, so they tossed on CBS Acvess instead since ratings don't matter on streaming apps. Mistake in my opinion but such is life. Do you know that you can buy a digital copy of the mini-series? The biggest difference is there is no credits for part 1 and you don't get the full scene of Stan's wife's crying when she found him. And Part 2 starts right when Bill arrives at the cemetery to visit Georgie's grave. Richard Thomas didn't bother me much in the mini-series. My biggest critique there is just that the kids and adults didn't really resemble each other. The closest to me is Emily Perkins and Anette O'Toole. But everyone else, not so much. The newer cast defiantly resemble each other, especially James Ransone and Andy Bean. The pawn shop scene is one of the best scenes in the movie, and one of my favorite Bill scenes. I defiantly agree about reality shows being crap. |
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Post by Deviancy on Feb 4, 2021 4:02:59 GMT
Do you know that you can buy a digital copy of the mini-series? The biggest difference is there is no credits for part 1 and you don't get the full scene of Stan's wife's crying when she found him. And Part 2 starts right when Bill arrives at the cemetery to visit Georgie's grave. Maybe I'll check it out tomorrow, right now I have Zombieland 2 that I'm possibly getting first. I saw it the other night on cable, its just as fun as the first except I kind of would have preferred if they didn't refer to the mutated zombies as T800's. With all due respect to Terminator fans, I'm beyond sick of that franchise. They've run it into the ground, and it didn't need to be that, they should have picked up where Salvation left off with John finishing Skynet once and for all. One issue may be Bale, he wasn't happy on the set of that film. One can do numerous sequels and keep things fresh, just look at Aliens. Alien Resurrection wasn't that great but then Scott came back and did two prequels and now the franchise is fresh again. They do need to bring back Ridley though she kicks a*s. |
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Post by wolf on Feb 4, 2021 4:40:34 GMT
Bill was my favorite character from the mini-series, mainly because like him I stutter as well. I didn't mind the kid who played Bill in the 1990 version but I couldn't stand the adult Bill in that version. Richard Thomas played the adult Bill in that version, I never liked him. He was a regular on the Waltons and I loathed that show and the entire cast, and he wasn't great in anything else really. I think he was ok in an episode of Law and Order or one of those shows since he played a bad guy, but everything else, bleh. McAvoy is bar more talented and I felt he did a better job with the stuttering, I liked the scene where he goes into the pawn shop and King is the owner, and Bill gets so frustrated with his stutter he just starts to swear, and King's character is all old fashioned, even though it's like 2019 at the time the F word is no longer really even a big deal, but yet King is like, "if you're going to talk like that, leave my shop". But it was Derry and despite all the years that passed, a lot of the people in the town seemed trapped in the past. As for relating to characters, I can kind of relate to Richie, I guess despite the fact I can't relate to the stuttering, Bill is the easiest to relate to because he's not a bad a§§ but he is persistent and stubborn, which I can relate to. I don't remember that much from the 1990 version, its been over 30 years since I've seen it. ABC may have re-broadcast it once or twice but they really rarely bothered re-broadcasting their mini's, and then they pretty much stopped doing movies and just got hooked on sitcoms and cop shows and now its sitcoms and reality shows. In the old days, CBS would be showing the new version of the Stand, but they don't have the time for it because they get higher ratings off of their bad cop shows and sh***y reality shows, so they tossed on CBS Acess instead since ratings don't matter on streaming apps. Mistake in my opinion but such is life.
He wasn't the best pick for adult Bill, that's for sure. Brandis was good as young Bill.
Anything McAvoy does is good. looking forward to seeing HIM in this flick. |
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Post by GeorgieFan2003 on Feb 4, 2021 4:44:48 GMT
I didn't mind the kid who played Bill in the 1990 version but I couldn't stand the adult Bill in that version. Richard Thomas played the adult Bill in that version, I never liked him. He was a regular on the Waltons and I loathed that show and the entire cast, and he wasn't great in anything else really. I think he was ok in an episode of Law and Order or one of those shows since he played a bad guy, but everything else, bleh. McAvoy is bar more talented and I felt he did a better job with the stuttering, I liked the scene where he goes into the pawn shop and King is the owner, and Bill gets so frustrated with his stutter he just starts to swear, and King's character is all old fashioned, even though it's like 2019 at the time the F word is no longer really even a big deal, but yet King is like, "if you're going to talk like that, leave my shop". But it was Derry and despite all the years that passed, a lot of the people in the town seemed trapped in the past. As for relating to characters, I can kind of relate to Richie, I guess despite the fact I can't relate to the stuttering, Bill is the easiest to relate to because he's not a bad a§§ but he is persistent and stubborn, which I can relate to. I don't remember that much from the 1990 version, its been over 30 years since I've seen it. ABC may have re-broadcast it once or twice but they really rarely bothered re-broadcasting their mini's, and then they pretty much stopped doing movies and just got hooked on sitcoms and cop shows and now its sitcoms and reality shows. In the old days, CBS would be showing the new version of the Stand, but they don't have the time for it because they get higher ratings off of their bad cop shows and sh***y reality shows, so they tossed on CBS Acess instead since ratings don't matter on streaming apps. Mistake in my opinion but such is life.
He wasn't the best pick for adult Bill, that's for sure. Brandis was good as young Bill.
Anything McAvoy does is good. looking forward to seeing HIM in this flick.Hope you enjoy it when you get the chance to watch it. |
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Post by wolf on Feb 4, 2021 4:47:26 GMT
....Richard "John Boy" Thomas surprised me with his performance in "The Americans" on FX. Pretty good series.
He wasn't the best pick for adult Bill, that's for sure. Brandis was good as young Bill.
Anything McAvoy does is good. looking forward to seeing HIM in this flick. Hope you enjoy it when you get the chance to watch it.
Thanks Georgie. 🙂 |
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Post by GeorgieFan2003 on Feb 4, 2021 4:49:43 GMT
Hope you enjoy it when you get the chance to watch it.
Thanks Georgie. 🙂You're welcome, you have a number of options to rent the movie if you don't want to wait for it to come to Hulu without needing an extra subscription to watch it now. |
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