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Post by edwardjohn on Jun 15, 2021 19:59:44 GMT
I'm glad Hummels is back. I like Thomas Muller (despite him playing for Bayern Munich). But yes, Hummels ... well ... I really never understood Low's banishment of Muller, Hummels and Ozil. Boeting I get, but Muller? Nah. It speaks volumes for how bad the current Germany team is when Low has to go against what he said after the last World Cup. Germany already seem way better with these older players.
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Post by osnafrank on Jun 15, 2021 20:01:37 GMT
Spain-Sweden 0-0. Sweden got lucky. But even so we had the two best scoring chances of the game which were our only chances. Spain had a lot of chances. A lot of complaining from Spain afterwards that sweden can only defend. But honestly, did anyone expect us to outplay Spain!!?? They played around and around but the actual hot scoring chances werent too many and the one that existed our goalie took care of. That they couldn't create more really good scoring chances on all that ball possession is on them, not on us. This was a point won, now comes the games we need to win which demands a totally different gameplan. Nobody expects to outplay the form favorites. But Parking the Bus has nothing to do of football, regardless of international matches or League Matches.
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Post by osnafrank on Jun 15, 2021 20:03:51 GMT
I'm glad Hummels is back. I like Thomas Muller (despite him playing for Bayern Munich). But yes, Hummels ... well ... I really never understood Low's banishment of Muller, Hummels and Ozil. Boeting I get, but Muller? Nah. It speaks volumes for how bad the current Germany team is when Low has to go against what he said after the last World Cup. Germany already seem way better with these older players. Yap, i can't stand Müller but he's a real asset.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jun 15, 2021 20:13:09 GMT
I like Thomas Muller (despite him playing for Bayern Munich). But yes, Hummels ... well ... I really never understood Low's banishment of Muller, Hummels and Ozil. Boeting I get, but Muller? Nah. It speaks volumes for how bad the current Germany team is when Low has to go against what he said after the last World Cup. Germany already seem way better with these older players. Yap, i can't stand Müller but he's a real asset. Yeah, I wish he played for someone else. Also, if Low brings on Werner at any point during this game, then he's totally lost it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 21:04:46 GMT
I'm glad Hummels is back. A bit sarcastic there, are we? But i think germany has a good chance of turning this around. They will beat hungary easily and to be honest Portugal did not look too impressive. I think Germany has good chances against them.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jun 15, 2021 21:06:53 GMT
I'm glad Hummels is back. I like Thomas Muller (despite him playing for Bayern Munich). But yes, Hummels ... well ... I really never understood Low's banishment of Muller, Hummels and Ozil. Boeting I get, but Muller? Nah. It speaks volumes for how bad the current Germany team is when Low has to go against what he said after the last World Cup. Germany already seem way better with these older players. And Low played Werner!
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Post by edwardjohn on Jun 15, 2021 21:10:03 GMT
Spain-Sweden 0-0. Sweden got lucky. But even so we had the two best scoring chances of the game which were our only chances. Spain had a lot of chances. A lot of complaining from Spain afterwards that sweden can only defend. But honestly, did anyone expect us to outplay Spain!!?? They played around and around but the actual hot scoring chances werent too many and the one that existed our goalie took care of. That they couldn't create more really good scoring chances on all that ball possession is on them, not on us. This was a point won, now comes the games we need to win which demands a totally different gameplan. Nobody expects to outplay the form favorites. But Parking the Bus has nothing to do of football, regardless of international matches or League Matches. Hungary parked the bus against Portugal and very nearly got a result against them. The score line in that game was misleading. Hungary was involved right until the end, they even had a disallowed goal before Portugal's goal which, if it had been given, would have totally changed the outcome of the game. A lot of countries don't have a choice but to park the bus. What would have happened had Hungary decided to play expansive football against Portugal? It would have been a very different game.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jun 15, 2021 21:12:02 GMT
I'm glad Hummels is back. A bit sarcastic there, are we? But i think germany has a good chance of turning this around. They will beat hungary easily and to be honest Portugal did not look too impressive. I think Germany has good chances against them. Hungary actually played well for large periods of that game, the score line was misleading. They are going to give Germany and France a game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 21:44:59 GMT
Spain-Sweden 0-0. Sweden got lucky. But even so we had the two best scoring chances of the game which were our only chances. Spain had a lot of chances. A lot of complaining from Spain afterwards that sweden can only defend. But honestly, did anyone expect us to outplay Spain!!?? They played around and around but the actual hot scoring chances werent too many and the one that existed our goalie took care of. That they couldn't create more really good scoring chances on all that ball possession is on them, not on us. This was a point won, now comes the games we need to win which demands a totally different gameplan. Nobody expects to outplay the form favorites. But Parking the Bus has nothing to do of football, regardless of international matches or League Matches.Parking the bus as you call it has always been part of football. It isn't pretty or fun to watch (rather the opposite) and really strong teams, like Spain, France, and so on must be able to handle it. It can be done. Sweden, in the qualifiers, met many teams that played like that because they know it was their best chance of getting a point. Noone with sense is gonna meet teams like that and give them a lot of place to play in. Then you lose. As a team, especially in championships, you must be able to handle all kind of defences, low defences (Parking the bus), high defences, pressplay and so on. Then we, in the process, lost our passing play in this game which usually is much better. That made it look even worse i guess but that should have helped Spain to score. As i i said that they failed is on them, not us. Group play in championships is about securing enough points to survive to the next round, not playing the beautiful game. The big nations, Spain, France, Germany and so on, has never had to play to survive because they have always had teams among the worlds greatest and their leagues is full of the worlds greatest players so i guess its not common there either. I dont think this would have worked against say france because they have world class strikers which Spain lack. Spain is very good at passing but they dont do it fast and on onetouch which allows another team to always be in position. France or Germany passes not better but quicker which would open up holes in such a defence. Spain failed to do it. Didn't even try. A good team must be able to penetrate low defences which are a part of Football, always will be.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 21:47:13 GMT
A bit sarcastic there, are we? But i think germany has a good chance of turning this around. They will beat hungary easily and to be honest Portugal did not look too impressive. I think Germany has good chances against them. Hungary actually played well for large periods of that game, the score line was misleading. They are going to give Germany and France a game. Yeah, i think Portugal got lucky. Hungary had deserved a draw and definitely not a 0-3 defeat.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jun 15, 2021 22:24:43 GMT
Hungary actually played well for large periods of that game, the score line was misleading. They are going to give Germany and France a game. Yeah, i think Portugal got lucky. Hungary had deserved a draw and definitely not a 0-3 defeat. It was such a shame that they conceded when they did and in the way they did. Hungary did really well to stay in it, but that wicked deflection, which could have gone anywhere and, of course, it went into the back of the net. Such a shame.
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Post by osnafrank on Jun 16, 2021 16:47:47 GMT
I'm glad Hummels is back. A bit sarcastic there, are we? But i think germany has a good chance of turning this around. They will beat hungary easily and to be honest Portugal did not look too impressive. I think Germany has good chances against them. Good thing is, that four third-place finishers in the group stage still making it into the knockout stages. Germany's last fragile hope. snicker
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Post by edwardjohn on Jun 16, 2021 17:42:05 GMT
A bit sarcastic there, are we? But i think germany has a good chance of turning this around. They will beat hungary easily and to be honest Portugal did not look too impressive. I think Germany has good chances against them. Good thing is, that four third-place finishers in the group stage still making it into the knockout stages. Germany's last fragile hope. I never thought that we'd be on the same points as Germany after match day one.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jun 16, 2021 19:56:11 GMT
I enjoyed the Russia/Finland game, but haven't been a fan of the Turkey/Wales and Italy/Switzerland games.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 22:38:31 GMT
I enjoyed the Russia/Finland game, but haven't been a fan of the Turkey/Wales and Italy/Switzerland games. I thought Italy was very impressive. Except for the first 10 minutes they dictated the game and won deservedly with 3-0. Wales/Turkey was not really good. Wales won not because they were good but because Turkey was really bad. It is strange that they play so bad. They did a very good Qualifier but seem to have forgotten both how to attack and how to defend.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jun 16, 2021 22:52:13 GMT
I enjoyed the Russia/Finland game, but haven't been a fan of the Turkey/Wales and Italy/Switzerland games. I thought Italy was very impressive. Except for the first 10 minutes they dictated the game and won deservedly with 3-0. Wales/Turkey was not really good. Wales won not because they were good but because Turkey was really bad. It is strange that they play so bad. They did a very good Qualifier but seem to have forgotten both how to attack and how to defend. Wales got so luck in that game. Yep, Turkey have conceded more goals thus far than what the did in the whole of the qualification. Very weird. Italy do look great, but I'm a bit wary. We'll find out how great they are when they come against more daunting opposition. Although, I will say that this Italy team is far better than the Italy which did not qualify for the World Cup, Mancini has done a great job, really great.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 2:03:50 GMT
I thought Italy was very impressive. Except for the first 10 minutes they dictated the game and won deservedly with 3-0. Wales/Turkey was not really good. Wales won not because they were good but because Turkey was really bad. It is strange that they play so bad. They did a very good Qualifier but seem to have forgotten both how to attack and how to defend. Wales got so luck in that game. Yep, Turkey have conceded more goals thus far than what the did in the whole of the qualification. Very weird. Italy do look great, but I'm a bit wary. We'll find out how great they are when they come against more daunting opposition. Although, I will say that this Italy team is far better than the Italy which did not qualify for the World Cup, Mancini has done a great job, really great. True. Italy hasn't really been tested. But they have showed that they can play in various ways. They can pass the quick ball to be very dangerous in the counterattack, and they can attack from the sides with their wingbacks and they have players that make these hard passes through the middefence. Their main attacker, Immobile, is a weak spot though. He needs too many chances to score. So far he has got many chances but against better teams he will not get that many chances. Will he still score? Remains to be seen. Spains failure to score against us was because they tried the same slow possession game all the time. No quick passes, no changing of the pace and no tries to go forward quickly when they had the chance. Italy can attack in many ways, much harder to defend against.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jun 17, 2021 19:20:08 GMT
Wales got so luck in that game. Yep, Turkey have conceded more goals thus far than what the did in the whole of the qualification. Very weird. Italy do look great, but I'm a bit wary. We'll find out how great they are when they come against more daunting opposition. Although, I will say that this Italy team is far better than the Italy which did not qualify for the World Cup, Mancini has done a great job, really great. True. Italy hasn't really been tested. But they have showed that they can play in various ways. They can pass the quick ball to be very dangerous in the counterattack, and they can attack from the sides with their wingbacks and they have players that make these hard passes through the middefence. Their main attacker, Immobile, is a weak spot though. He needs too many chances to score. So far he has got many chances but against better teams he will not get that many chances. Will he still score? Remains to be seen. Spains failure to score against us was because they tried the same slow possession game all the time. No quick passes, no changing of the pace and no tries to go forward quickly when they had the chance. Italy can attack in many ways, much harder to defend against. Yep, Immobile and his role in the Italian squad is very similar to Spain and Morata. Morata, like Immobile, requires multiple chances before he scores, which isn't the best when your aim is to go far in the tournament. You're also right about Italy, they are impressive and can play many different ways. I wish Scotland was the same, but unfortunately we don't have that great playmaker who can make things happen in attack, we, like Italy on occasions, rely on our wingbacks for creativity. Our mid-fields role is to stop the opposing playmakers, which they did a pretty great job of against the Czechs for the most part, but, because of bad finishing and bad set piece defensive structure, we didn't get anything out of the game.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jun 17, 2021 19:22:27 GMT
In order to beat or get a draw against England, Scotland have to be defensively solid and be clinical when we attack. We won't get a number of opportunities against England like we did against the Czechs as they are very defensively minded. Once we get into attack, we have to make it count, our wing-backs are going to have to put excellent crosses into the box.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jun 17, 2021 19:23:14 GMT
I really don't like Depay. He constantly dives. He did it against Scotland and got his side an unfair draw.
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