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Post by osnafrank on Jun 24, 2021 15:37:08 GMT
There is some new video and this is way worse than I thought. When it was first reported, I though just the front of one side of the building collapsed but it's much worse when you see this video. I'm afraid there are going to be many dead with this. It happened very early in the morning.
A quick question.
What is FEMA ? |
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Post by wireman on Jun 24, 2021 15:38:21 GMT
There is some new video and this is way worse than I thought. When it was first reported, I though just the front of one side of the building collapsed but it's much worse when you see this video. I'm afraid there are going to be many dead with this. It happened very early in the morning.
A quick question.
What is FEMA ? |
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Post by osnafrank on Jun 24, 2021 15:42:26 GMT
It's just terrible.
A quick question.
What is FEMA ?
Thankee wireman c017 |
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Post by wireman on Jun 25, 2021 12:53:29 GMT
Apparently, the condo in Florida has been sinking 2mm a year. There have even been lawsuits filed by the tenants over cracks that were slow to be repaired.
Also, I have not seen much structural steel in the rubble. A building that size usually has a substantial amount of structural steel and I don't see much.
The total of missing has climbed to 159.
The rescue workers are working in some very hazardous conditions.
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Post by wireman on Jun 25, 2021 16:08:32 GMT
My favorite BBC anchor is leaving.
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Post by wireman on Jul 1, 2021 12:39:00 GMT
This is an amazing story of a lady who got out of the Florida condo just in time.
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Post by wireman on Jul 2, 2021 12:22:21 GMT
I was reading some history of the building that collapsed and found out that this building was started in the late 70s and the developer ran out of money and the partially completed building sat for 3 years or so exposed to the ocean and weather and then when the project stated up again, they just picked up where they left off.
Typically in that situation, the developer is made to tear down what was done and start over again. Especially on the ocean where the elements are much more corrosive. I read that the developer was supposed to tear down the uncompleted work but ultimately was not forced to do that and just picked up where they left off.
This building was built in a very small town (at the time) within Miami-Dade county and probably didn't have much of a building department in the 70s.
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Post by spideyman on Jul 2, 2021 12:58:32 GMT
I was reading some history of the building that collapsed and found out that this building was started in the late 70s and the developer ran out of money and the partially completed building sat for 3 years or so exposed to the ocean and weather and then when the project stated up again, they just picked up where they left off.
Typically in that situation, the developer is made to tear down what was done and start over again. Especially on the ocean where the elements are much more corrosive. I read that the developer was supposed to tear down the uncompleted work but ultimately was not forced to do that and just picked up where they left off.
This building was built in a very small town (at the time) within Miami-Dade county and probably didn't have much of a building department in the 70s.
A condo in Kissimmee has been evacuated due to unsafe stairwells. Repaors to be made and return of residents.
Add on- off topic-- you watching Elsa?? |
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Post by wireman on Jul 2, 2021 13:16:30 GMT
I was reading some history of the building that collapsed and found out that this building was started in the late 70s and the developer ran out of money and the partially completed building sat for 3 years or so exposed to the ocean and weather and then when the project stated up again, they just picked up where they left off.
Typically in that situation, the developer is made to tear down what was done and start over again. Especially on the ocean where the elements are much more corrosive. I read that the developer was supposed to tear down the uncompleted work but ultimately was not forced to do that and just picked up where they left off.
This building was built in a very small town (at the time) within Miami-Dade county and probably didn't have much of a building department in the 70s.
A condo in Kissimmee has been evacuated due to unsafe stairwells. Repaors to be made and return of residents.
Add on- off topic-- you watching Elsa??I also read that this building was built 18 feet closer to the ocean than was permitted. The building department was going to make them remove what had been done and start over but eventually allowed them to continue. Since the parking garage seemed to be constantly under water, I wonder if that 18 feet was a factor.
I read that there was only a 1 million dollar insurance policy for this entire building. They probably couldn't get anyone to insure this building for more than that due to the problems. Insurance companies send inspectors to look at buildings they are insuring and I'm sure those inspectors didn't like what they saw.
Unless there's some help elsewhere, the people who survived this are not going to get much compensation from the insurance company for their places.
Yes, keeping an eye on Elsa. Right now, we look ok but things can change.
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Post by osnafrank on Jul 2, 2021 14:58:39 GMT
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Post by wireman on Jul 2, 2021 19:23:52 GMT
I was reading some history of the building that collapsed and found out that this building was started in the late 70s and the developer ran out of money and the partially completed building sat for 3 years or so exposed to the ocean and weather and then when the project stated up again, they just picked up where they left off.
Typically in that situation, the developer is made to tear down what was done and start over again. Especially on the ocean where the elements are much more corrosive. I read that the developer was supposed to tear down the uncompleted work but ultimately was not forced to do that and just picked up where they left off.
This building was built in a very small town (at the time) within Miami-Dade county and probably didn't have much of a building department in the 70s.
They need to be held accountable for their negligence.The builder died in the 90s. The building is 40 years old and there are not many records available. It's possible that they can go back to the builders old insurance policy but the liability limits 40 years ago were probably very low. I'm not sure how far you can go back on something like that.
I'm not sure there's really anyone to sue.
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Post by wolf on Jul 2, 2021 19:31:08 GMT
...that looks like a law suit, big big time.
They need to be held accountable for their negligence. The builder died in the 90s. The building is 40 years old and there are not many records available. It's possible that they can go back to the builders old insurance policy but the liability limits 40 years ago were probably very low. I'm not sure how far you can go back on something like that.
I'm not sure there's really anyone to sue.
The City officials should never have allowed, all of what you mentioned, to happen.
But I am sure you know about the legal stuff.
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Post by wireman on Jul 2, 2021 20:43:29 GMT
The builder died in the 90s. The building is 40 years old and there are not many records available. It's possible that they can go back to the builders old insurance policy but the liability limits 40 years ago were probably very low. I'm not sure how far you can go back on something like that.
I'm not sure there's really anyone to sue.
The City officials should never have allowed, all of what you mentioned, to happen.
But I am sure you know about the legal stuff.
I do not. 🙂First thing is to determine officially what caused it. They are not going to be able to do that until they get the bodies recovered and the debris out of there. Then when an official cause is determined, they can start looking at the City or insurance policies, etc. 40 years is a long time to go back and hold someone accountable. It will be probably years before any kind of settlement would be made if there is anyone to settle with.
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Post by wolf on Jul 2, 2021 20:55:59 GMT
Well, I was thinking of the City.
The City officials should never have allowed, all of what you mentioned, to happen.
But I am sure you know about the legal stuff.
I do not. 🙂 First thing is to determine officially what caused it. They are not going to be able to do that until they get the bodies recovered and the debris out of there. Then when an official cause is determined, they can start looking at the City or insurance policies, etc. 40 years is a long time to go back and hold someone accountable. It will be probably years before any kind of settlement would be made if there is anyone to settle with.
Maybe there will be a precedent set here. Hopefully.
There shouldn't be a "Statute of limitations" on things like this. At least I don't think so.
I just feel like the City should be held accountable for any inactions or allowing dangerous practices to occur at any time.
(if that is truly what happened here, and IF that is the case....they should be looking closely at surrounding structures around this collapse)
I mean think about it....unethical builders could take short cuts...etc....deliberately, knowing that nothing is going to happen for about 30 or 40 years, and they'll all be long gone scott-free.
Thanks for the info Taco Man.🙂
I'm really in over my head here, time for me to have a Coke and a smile. 😉 |
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Post by annamarie on Jul 4, 2021 11:55:37 GMT
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Post by wolf on Jul 4, 2021 23:15:11 GMT
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Post by wolf on Jul 4, 2021 23:18:59 GMT
....dang...going to keep this vid/live stream open on another tab for awhile, and check in on it.
I hope all stay safe and the best happens.....
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Post by wolf on Jul 5, 2021 1:38:39 GMT
....dang...going to keep this vid/live stream open on another tab for awhile, and check in on it. I hope all stay safe and the best happens..... ...still got this open in another tab, and checking in on it, very much of nothing going on so far except it was nice to see the (little bit of) Florida sunset. And to see and hear some of the fireworks going in the back ground....Dang, that part of East Florida coast is a lot darker than what we have here right now....I'm watching my sunset going on out my back windows. Whoa! seeing a little sheet lightning going on now....this is really cool to watch when it's LIVE....I hope everyone in Florida is having a good night. 🙂 a054 |
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Post by wolf on Jul 5, 2021 2:17:54 GMT
....another LIVE stream...my sun's girl just found it...
and FIREWORKS tooooo!....
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Post by wolf on Jul 5, 2021 2:25:49 GMT
Yap! and Wuff! 😋🐺...3 tabs open now!
Sorry guys! I'm having a good Birthday night visiting in Florida. a054  
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