Underworld Series.

The funny thing, Kraven, despite not having much of a role in most of the films, is kind of the reason things went south in most of the films.

Viktor wasn't that bad, he kept the order and everything was fine, it was Sonja who betrayed her father and broke a rule which meant the council would demand her death, he had follow the rules, he was an elder but one of many, so they'd have stripped him of his power and put her down regardless. Vampire politics, they make US politics look tame by comparison but its the same politics that are in that Vampire the Masquerade pen and paper game, and the video games, they also have elders and covens, and lots and lots of rules, and breaking the severe ones will lead to death in that franchise as well. I think Underworld borrowed a lot from Vampire: the Masquerade actually, and a little from Blade.

Now I always say Predator Vs. Aliens was an iffy crossover but Selene and Blade in a crossover, that could be interesting, but it would never happen since Blade now belongs to Disney, so if anything Blade related comes out in the future, it'll be PG-13 at the highest, which is a shame. New Line did a damn good job on the first two films, a solid R rating but they were dark and intense and Snipes was great, the third one wasn't bad either but Reynolds kind of stole some of Snipes thunder.

The elder thing, I can't remember what film or comic started it but it works the best in Masquerade but Underworld handles it well, same rules for the most part. As for who created the covens, I think Markus' dad may have had a role in it, he was immortal and kept tabs on the whole thing, and may have had more control than he let on since he was the father of the first vampire.

The film could have used some more color, it was a little too bleak, the locations they shot at it were just bleh. But other than that, I enjoyed all five films. As for Michael, its weird, a lot of people where like, "get rid of Speedman, he's a bad actor", so they got rid of him, and then people were like, "bring back Speedman". Me personally, I'm fine without him, I think Selene is better off on her own...

Its a very long time ago, let me put it this way, Selene around 5 when William was caught and imprisoned, so she'd have been in her early 800's in the first film. Looked pretty good for a woman in her 800's, right?

It actually goes back to the 5th century, that's when Alexander gets the virus that kills all of his people but mutates within him and causes him to become immortal and strong, and when he had sons, that mutated virus evolved and gave his sons immortality but made them different, but the evolution continued which is why werewolves finally were able to shift back to human while vampires couldn't shift at all unlike Markus. In short, they're not supernatural in Underworld, they're product of a mutation due to a virus that mutated Alexander.

Yes, the 5th century started in 401 AD, it doesn't say when Alexander had Markus and William however.

The century thing is always a hundred years earlier than its number. So if someone says the 21st century, they mean right now, not 2101, and if they say the 5th century, they mean 401 AD, and if they say the 16th century, that would be 1501 AD, the centuries roll over once the 1 is at the end, so the 22nd century will be 2101. Underworld doesn't do the greatest job with really informing the viewers of how the timeline works, they just bounce around.

wolf maybe its a good idea to edit the subject and take the space out of Underworld, may confuse some who think we're talking about a new film or something. Oh, and no offense to Dizzy, we all make typos.