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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 8:09:23 GMT
Lux Radio Theatre - Arrowsmith w/, Spencer Tracy & Fay Wray
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Post by wireman on Jul 5, 2020 13:39:46 GMT
I need someone from the UK that's been around a while (translation: old ) to answer a question about The Kinks. I was looking at The Kinks discography and noticed that the best albums of their career 1966-1971 were not very popular in the UK (Face To Face was the exception). I was surprised to see that Arthur and The Muswell Hillbillies didn't even chart in the UK.
My question - Why weren't The Kinks more popular in the UK?
Here's a great one from that period
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Post by edwardjohn on Jul 5, 2020 13:48:54 GMT
Popularity in the UK back then really depended on if you got played on the radio, and at that time there was just the singular Radio Network, which was based in the Capital, things are of course different now, that was the case then. It wasn't like the US were each state had its own radio network, and some had several. There are plenty of US bands who were far more popular over here than what they were in the US simply because they got played on the radio or were featured in the music magazines of the period. An example would be Blue Oyster Cult, a band who have always been more popular here than in the US, they got played quite a bit on UK radio. And vice verse, there are UK bands which got played on US radio quite a bit, like YES, or Black Sabbath etc. I don't really know anything about The Kinks, but I will cite the Beach Boys, which may be a similar situation. The Beach Boys were a US band, of course, and they had great success initially in America but this went fast, whereas all throughout the late sixties and into the seventies, The Beach Boys still did well here. I think it comes to Radio Play. But, of course, the UK makes the best music, Joe. wireman
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Post by wireman on Jul 5, 2020 14:01:45 GMT
Popularity in the UK back then really depended on if you got played on the radio, and at that time there was just the singular Radio Network, which was based in the Capital, things are of course different now, that was the case then. It wasn't like the US were each state had its own radio network, and some had several. There are plenty of US bands who were far more popular over here than what they were in the US simply because they got played on the radio or were featured in the music magazines of the period. An example would be Blue Oyster Cult, a band who have always been more popular here than in the US, they got played quite a bit on UK radio. And vice verse, there are UK bands which got played on US radio quite a bit, like YES, or Black Sabbath etc. I don't really know anything about The Kinks, but I will cite the Beach Boys, which may be a similar situation. The Beach Boys were a US band, of course, and they had great success initially in America but this went fast, whereas all throughout the late sixties and into the seventies, The Beach Boys still did well here. I think it comes to Radio Play. But, of course, the UK makes the best music, Joe. wireman Now that I look at it, The Beach Boys and Kinks trajectory is remarkably similar.
I wonder if the Kinks just weren't cool in the late 60s. Ray Davies writing is very nostalgic during that period and was the complete opposite of the psychedelic era of 67-68. Ray Davies was as uncompromising an artist as there was (up until their arena rock phase of the late 70s).
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Post by edwardjohn on Jul 5, 2020 15:07:09 GMT
Popularity in the UK back then really depended on if you got played on the radio, and at that time there was just the singular Radio Network, which was based in the Capital, things are of course different now, that was the case then. It wasn't like the US were each state had its own radio network, and some had several. There are plenty of US bands who were far more popular over here than what they were in the US simply because they got played on the radio or were featured in the music magazines of the period. An example would be Blue Oyster Cult, a band who have always been more popular here than in the US, they got played quite a bit on UK radio. And vice verse, there are UK bands which got played on US radio quite a bit, like YES, or Black Sabbath etc. I don't really know anything about The Kinks, but I will cite the Beach Boys, which may be a similar situation. The Beach Boys were a US band, of course, and they had great success initially in America but this went fast, whereas all throughout the late sixties and into the seventies, The Beach Boys still did well here. I think it comes to Radio Play. But, of course, the UK makes the best music, Joe. wireman Now that I look at it, The Beach Boys and Kinks trajectory is remarkably similar.
I wonder if the Kinks just weren't cool in the late 60s. Ray Davies writing is very nostalgic during that period and was the complete opposite of the psychedelic era of 67-68. Ray Davies was as uncompromising an artist as there was (up until their arena rock phase of the late 70s).
I thought that The Kinks were a US band before you said so, it might be that they have an American sound. Then again, The Beach Boys had an American sound in their early years, but with Pet Sounds (which is one of the best albums ever made), but changed their sound, incorporating Rock/Blues/Psychedelic/Power Pop, all of that, and that was when they became really popular in the UK.
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Post by muskrat on Jul 5, 2020 16:43:42 GMT
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Post by neesy on Jul 5, 2020 20:34:15 GMT
Popularity in the UK back then really depended on if you got played on the radio, and at that time there was just the singular Radio Network, which was based in the Capital, things are of course different now, that was the case then. It wasn't like the US were each state had its own radio network, and some had several. There are plenty of US bands who were far more popular over here than what they were in the US simply because they got played on the radio or were featured in the music magazines of the period. An example would be Blue Oyster Cult, a band who have always been more popular here than in the US, they got played quite a bit on UK radio. And vice verse, there are UK bands which got played on US radio quite a bit, like YES, or Black Sabbath etc. I don't really know anything about The Kinks, but I will cite the Beach Boys, which may be a similar situation. The Beach Boys were a US band, of course, and they had great success initially in America but this went fast, whereas all throughout the late sixties and into the seventies, The Beach Boys still did well here. I think it comes to Radio Play. But, of course, the UK makes the best music, Joe. wireman This made me think of the movie Pirate Radio - have you seen it?
Sometimes I will ask Andy if he has heard a particular song from the past when it's on the radio but he usually says no (perhaps he lived in a cave over there)
He did spend some time in the military so he travelled quite a bit
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Post by edwardjohn on Jul 5, 2020 21:33:04 GMT
Popularity in the UK back then really depended on if you got played on the radio, and at that time there was just the singular Radio Network, which was based in the Capital, things are of course different now, that was the case then. It wasn't like the US were each state had its own radio network, and some had several. There are plenty of US bands who were far more popular over here than what they were in the US simply because they got played on the radio or were featured in the music magazines of the period. An example would be Blue Oyster Cult, a band who have always been more popular here than in the US, they got played quite a bit on UK radio. And vice verse, there are UK bands which got played on US radio quite a bit, like YES, or Black Sabbath etc. I don't really know anything about The Kinks, but I will cite the Beach Boys, which may be a similar situation. The Beach Boys were a US band, of course, and they had great success initially in America but this went fast, whereas all throughout the late sixties and into the seventies, The Beach Boys still did well here. I think it comes to Radio Play. But, of course, the UK makes the best music, Joe. wireman This made me think of the movie Pirate Radio - have you seen it?
Sometimes I will ask Andy if he has heard a particular song from the past when it's on the radio but he usually says no (perhaps he lived in a cave over there)
He did spend some time in the military so he travelled quite a bit
Yep, Pirate Radio is good. Each countries radio stations are different, what was being played on Canadian radio back in the day does not necessarily compare to what they played over here. Choice of songs is very much up to the jockeys and the Radio Stations owners.
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Post by muskrat on Jul 6, 2020 0:53:03 GMT
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Post by wireman on Jul 6, 2020 11:53:05 GMT
This made me think of the movie Pirate Radio - have you seen it?
Sometimes I will ask Andy if he has heard a particular song from the past when it's on the radio but he usually says no (perhaps he lived in a cave over there)
He did spend some time in the military so he travelled quite a bit
Yep, Pirate Radio is good. Each countries radio stations are different, what was being played on Canadian radio back in the day does not necessarily compare to what they played over here. Choice of songs is very much up to the jockeys and the Radio Stations owners. If you haven't seen it, check out Pump Up The Volume with Christian Slater. It's a good pirate radio movie.
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Post by His Majesty on Jul 6, 2020 13:51:22 GMT
With Prince, it ALWAYS counts.
And if the guitar in your avatar is your guitar, I have the same exact one-Fender American Performer Strat HSS with Yosemite pickups in a sea foam green color. Love that guitar immensely. Wow, it is indeed, what are the chances? Although, I don't know if they do it in both greens but mine is surf green, not sea foam. But yeah, I love mine, got it in a black friday sale for £827 instead of £999. I'm just glad they didn't make the HSS in their gorgeous "Penny" colour. There is no way I'd be able to decide.I was actually debating between the HSS in green and the regular in Penny. Chose the green, obviously. LOL
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Post by neesy on Jul 6, 2020 15:53:26 GMT
Love Alice - he was good in the movie Dark Shadows as the guest musician at the party - have you seen it?
There's also a really good documentary about Alice's life called Super Duper Alice Cooper
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Post by muskrat on Jul 6, 2020 16:11:25 GMT
Love Alice - he was good in the movie Dark Shadows as the guest musician at the party - have you seen it?
There's also a really good documentary about Alice's life called Super Duper Alice Cooper
Oh yeah, seen both. Loved both. Hey, how about Friday the 13th part 6: Jason Lives? Our boy Alice had a hand in that soundtrack as well. Heh heh.
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Post by Wicked Esther on Jul 6, 2020 16:18:54 GMT
Love Alice - he was good in the movie Dark Shadows as the guest musician at the party - have you seen it?
There's also a really good documentary about Alice's life called Super Duper Alice Cooper
Oh yeah, seen both. Loved both. Hey, how about Friday the 13th part 6: Jason Lives? Our boy Alice had a hand in that soundtrack as well. Heh heh.
Who remembers Alice's song in Class of 1984? "Take a look at my face--I am the Fu-chah!"
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Post by muskrat on Jul 6, 2020 16:27:30 GMT
Oh yeah, seen both. Loved both. Hey, how about Friday the 13th part 6: Jason Lives? Our boy Alice had a hand in that soundtrack as well. Heh heh.
Who remembers Alice's song in Class of 1984? "Take a look at my face--I am the Fu-chah!" Dang, I forgot about that song! Which is odd, considering I just re-watched that flick about a year ago! Pretty good movie. Like a punked-out 80s version of The Blackboard Jungle.
Shoot, while we’re talking about 80s psycho-teen movies, how about The Rivers Edge? With Keanu, Crispen Glover, Dennis Hopper, Ione Skye? Brrr, that flick will creep you right out.
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Post by wireman on Jul 6, 2020 16:39:46 GMT
Who remembers Alice's song in Class of 1984? "Take a look at my face--I am the Fu-chah!" Dang, I forgot about that song! Which is odd, considering I just re-watched that flick about a year ago! Pretty good movie. Like a punked-out 80s version of The Blackboard Jungle.
Shoot, while we’re talking about 80s psycho-teen movies, how about The Rivers Edge? With Keanu, Crispen Glover, Dennis Hopper, Ione Skye? Brrr, that flick will creep you right out. Dennis Hopper and his doll. Nothing creepy about that.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jul 6, 2020 18:52:15 GMT
wireman Joe, have you ever been to a Black Sabbath show?
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Post by wireman on Jul 6, 2020 19:37:29 GMT
wireman Joe, have you ever been to a Black Sabbath show? No, I can't even remember them playing anywhere close to where I lived. I have a friend that saw them in the Ian Gillan era in Philadelphia. He swears they played Space Truckin but I've never seen that listed on a setlist for those shows. I did see Smoke On The Water on the setlists.
Jacob's (SKMB member friend of mine and recent member here that I don't think has posted yet) father saw them with Ozzy in Mobile, Alabama during the Never Say Die tour.
My mom nixed 2 shows I wanted to go to. Led Zeppelin in Tampa - I was 15 and it would have required me staying overnight in Tampa and she said no way. Probably a good thing because that show got cut short because of rain and a riot started. I got some "I told you so" over that.
Lynyrd Skynyrd in Hollywood, FL about 2 or 3 shows before their plane crash - After the riot at the Led Zeppelin show, she was wary of letting me go to this
It wasn't long after that that mom's oppressive regime softened.
Check out this song from Drive-By Truckers. The singer Patterson Hood is about the same age as me and the song is about him missing the Lynyrd Skynrd Show in Alabama because of the plane crash. The song also about not apologizing for the dumb sh*t he did when he was young. I love the last lines, "I never saw Lynryd Skynrd but I sure saw AC/DC with Bon Scott singing Let There Be Roooooock" I saw Bon Scott era AC/DC too.
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Post by edwardjohn on Jul 6, 2020 19:54:28 GMT
wireman Joe, have you ever been to a Black Sabbath show? No, I can't even remember them playing anywhere close to where I lived. I have a friend that saw them in the Ian Gillan era in Philadelphia. He swears they played Space Truckin but I've never seen that listed on a setlist for those shows. I did see Smoke On The Water on the setlists.
Jacob's (SKMB member friend of mine and recent member here that I don't think has posted yet) father saw them with Ozzy in Mobile, Alabama during the Never Say Die tour.
My mom nixed 2 shows I wanted to go to. Led Zeppelin in Tampa - I was 15 and it would have required me staying overnight in Tampa and she said no way. Probably a good thing because that show got cut short because of rain and a riot started. I got some "I told you so" over that.
Lynyrd Skynyrd in Hollywood, FL about 2 or 3 shows before their plane crash - After the riot at the Led Zeppelin show, she was wary of letting me go to this
It wasn't long after that that mom's oppressive regime softened.
Check out this song from Drive-By Truckers. The singer Patterson Hood is about the same age as me and the song is about him missing the Lynyrd Skynrd Show in Alabama because of the plane crash. The song also about not apologizing for the dumb sh*t he did when he was young. I love the last lines, "I never saw Lynryd Skynrd but I sure saw AC/DC with Bon Scott singing Let There Be Roooooock" I saw Bon Scott era AC/DC too.
According to Setlist.com, Sabbath played shows, in Florida, mainly in Jacksonville and Lakeland. Although, they did not play all that many shows. I have never heard Sabbath playing Space Truckin' on the Born Again Tour, I'm surprised, maybe they did. Zeppelin had a reputation for their concerts turning into riots if they got cancelled for some reason or another. I managed to catch Sabbath on the 13 tour, I was supposed to go to an Ozzy show a fey years ago but with all of his health issues and now Covid, who knows when it will happen, although he does say it will happen. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/6943779/images/FQLorEvsFDxIUuVVMyKE.png)
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Post by osnafrank on Jul 6, 2020 20:30:13 GMT
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